KIPP RIP Continued

You…administrator…bastards…still…can’t…fire me!!!!

(Guest Post by Matthew Ladner)

Leo over at EdWize asks “What is it about teacher voice that so frightens the denizens of the far right, that even the prospect of democratic teacher input into decision-making in the educational workplace should be met with such rhetorical ferocity?”

Two words: RUBBER ROOM!

UPDATE: Now Leo disavows any union responsibility for the rubber room. Ohhhhhhh sure…he’s shocked SHOCKED to hear someone suggest that the union’s making it prohibitively expensive  to let a teacher go has anything to do with the rubber room. Round up the usual union baloney and meet me at EdWize…

14 Responses to KIPP RIP Continued

  1. Greg Forster says:

    Democratic? Right. Nothing more democratic than a closed shop.

  2. matthewladner says:

    Or one without a secret ballot!

  3. The knee-jerk reaction against collective bargaining diminishes the argument as much as any union stonewalling does. Certainly, some unions have grown beyond the reasonable practice of insuring a safe, fair, productive workplace. Though, at no time in history did unions develop without cause. The problem of, say, the rubber room is that school districts foolishly agreed to unreasonable conditions, as unions pushed protections to the extreme out of fear of manipulation by management. Sadly, common sense is missing from most of the disputes. However, that is no reason to argue that collective bargaining is anathema. It has done much to contribute to the rising standards of living in this country.

  4. matthewladner says:


    We are however discussing a great school in New York that is being organized by the very same union that created the rubber rooms in NYC. If and when they make it possible to fire teachers for ineffectiveness or misconduct with a reasonable level of due process, then they may be entitled to some benefit of the doubt.

    When you’ve got rubber rooms, fuhgetaboutit!

  5. Patrick says:

    How come none of the teachers in the rubber room thought to bring a PSP?

    Or maybe get a Netflix account and stream movies to their computer?

    Innovation? Creativity?

  6. Patrick says:

    I don’t think collective bargaining has done a single thing to raise living standards in this country.

    To the contrary I think it has done more to depress them. Unions can only increase wages of their workers by forcing down wages of either their best workers (everyone earns a salary based on seniority not on skill) or by forcing out the competition (you must be union members to work in x job, trade barriers also do the trick).

    Also, we’ve seen union membership drastically decrease as incomes have risen quite quickly over the years.

    I should also add that between 97 and 07 the number of workers earning the minimum wage dropped in half even as we added 20 million new workers to the labor force.

    Unions had nothing to do with any of this.

    As far as education unions go, they have turned public education from a professional calling into a shovel ready jobs program.

  7. Patrick.

    The forty-hour work week? Middle-class wages for manual labor jobs? The current situation with the auto companies is an example. Unskilled labor, or even skilled but non-white collar work, has traditionally been insufficient to provide workers with a middle class income, a house, and the ability to send their kids to college for a “better life.” Only in America did that happen, and only after unions raised labor rates out of the cellar.

  8. […] in hand, blogging Centurion Ladner continues apace with the production of extreme fiction: in his alternative universe, the UFT — and not the DoE — created the rubber rooms, and […]

  9. Patrick,

    You might enjoy Harold Meyerson’s piece “The Dynamic Duo” in the Washington Post today.

  10. Patrick says:

    Mr. Mazenko,

    The average worker in the U.S worked 38 hours a week when the 40 hour work week was passed.

    Unions and the government jumped in front of the parade and claimed victory.

    You can look this up for yourself: Google search US Historical Statistics.

    (Same is true for Child labor laws…child labor had declined to about less than 2 percent of the labor force by the time the government outlawed it).

  11. Patrick says:

    Oh and the real reason for the 40 hour work week was to create “job sharing” to decrease unemployment.

    It didn’t work in the US in the 30s and it failed in France too.

  12. Patrick says:

    The minimum wage also did nothing to increase wages when it was added. THe average American worker also made higher than the minimum wage (And i’m talking about blue collar workers only).

    The minimum wage did have the effect of putting 500,000 African Americans out of work.

    In fact, one U.S. congressman made that his main reason for pushing for and passing the first minimum wage law.

  13. […] fight between Jay Greene bloggers and the UFT over who’s to blame for the rubber […]

  14. JesseAlred says:

    Wendy Kopp–like her friends, our nation’s corporate leaders–preaches but does not practice accountability when she claims Teach For America and its branches, the KIPP and YES charter schools, have done jack to close the achievement gap.

    Education professors argue whether 40% or 20% of TFA teachers remain in school past the requisite two-year stint, but neither advocates or enemies of TFA have presented ANY evidence of them improving the academic results of significant numbers of working-class, minority students.

    The only argument they have comes from the outstanding perfomance of kids at KIPP and YES, and these students attend charter schools after their families have applied to schools with longer school days, extended school years, and loads of homework.

    Teach For America provides a positive service, and its charter schools provide a top-quality education for kids whose ambitious familes are already committed to education.

    The notion that these folks are the solution not only to school reform but to social reform also must derive from an equal mixture of egotism, careerism, the rich-person’s sense of entitlement, stupidity and the desire to please government-hating corporate donors.

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