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		<title>Comment on School Choice Researchers Unite in Ed Week by Greg Forster</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/02/22/school-choice-researchers-unite-in-ed-week/#comment-27001</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Forster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The link has been added. I realized that I forgot to include the link exactly 0.001 seconds after I clicked &quot;publish.&quot; I added the link right away, but people who recieve the post by RSS feed will have gotten the linkless version. Sorry!

I have often been tempted to denounce school choice so my empirical research finding that it has positive academic effects would be taken more seriously. It works for Cecelia Rouse and Martin Carnoy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link has been added. I realized that I forgot to include the link exactly 0.001 seconds after I clicked &#8220;publish.&#8221; I added the link right away, but people who recieve the post by RSS feed will have gotten the linkless version. Sorry!</p>
<p>I have often been tempted to denounce school choice so my empirical research finding that it has positive academic effects would be taken more seriously. It works for Cecelia Rouse and Martin Carnoy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on School Choice Researchers Unite in Ed Week by Joy Pullmann</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/02/22/school-choice-researchers-unite-in-ed-week/#comment-26999</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joy Pullmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, yes. We&#039;ve discussed that. I know your aim wasn&#039;t to get into that thought fully with the article you quote here, but to me, the word &quot;technocracy&quot; doesn&#039;t call forth that set of ideas until I hear more about them. I think it might be an important topic to expand in the public eye, as I doubt for most people the concept is very clear in just a few words.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yes. We&#8217;ve discussed that. I know your aim wasn&#8217;t to get into that thought fully with the article you quote here, but to me, the word &#8220;technocracy&#8221; doesn&#8217;t call forth that set of ideas until I hear more about them. I think it might be an important topic to expand in the public eye, as I doubt for most people the concept is very clear in just a few words.</p>
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		<title>Comment on School Choice Researchers Unite in Ed Week by Joy Pullmann</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/02/22/school-choice-researchers-unite-in-ed-week/#comment-26998</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joy Pullmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you very much!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much!</p>
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		<title>Comment on School Choice Researchers Unite in Ed Week by George Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/02/22/school-choice-researchers-unite-in-ed-week/#comment-26997</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Mitchell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please provide a link for the Ed Week piece.  Thank you.

Regarding the documented research evidence, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel&#039;s lead education reporter dismisses it as coming from people who &quot;favor&quot; choice.  She instead relies on flawed data from the state&#039;s education bureaucracy, headed by an individual who believes the expansion of choice is &quot;immoral.&quot;

Perhaps Greg and Friedman could re-issue his study by &quot;Anonymous&quot; (on blank paper) and send it to the Journal Sentinel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please provide a link for the Ed Week piece.  Thank you.</p>
<p>Regarding the documented research evidence, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel&#8217;s lead education reporter dismisses it as coming from people who &#8220;favor&#8221; choice.  She instead relies on flawed data from the state&#8217;s education bureaucracy, headed by an individual who believes the expansion of choice is &#8220;immoral.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps Greg and Friedman could re-issue his study by &#8220;Anonymous&#8221; (on blank paper) and send it to the Journal Sentinel.</p>
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		<title>Comment on School Choice Researchers Unite in Ed Week by Greg Forster</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/02/22/school-choice-researchers-unite-in-ed-week/#comment-26995</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Forster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jay and I have written about this &lt;a href=&quot;http://jaypgreene.com/2011/07/26/command-v-choice-part-i-truth-and-power/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://jaypgreene.com/2011/07/26/gates-foundation-follies-part-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://jaypgreene.com/2011/01/18/the-dead-end-of-scientific-progressivism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, among other places. I&#039;d summarize technocracy as the idea that problems should be solved by asking an anointed class of experts how to solve them, then using political power to force that solution on people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay and I have written about this <a href="http://jaypgreene.com/2011/07/26/command-v-choice-part-i-truth-and-power/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://jaypgreene.com/2011/07/26/gates-foundation-follies-part-2/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and <a href="http://jaypgreene.com/2011/01/18/the-dead-end-of-scientific-progressivism" rel="nofollow">here</a>, among other places. I&#8217;d summarize technocracy as the idea that problems should be solved by asking an anointed class of experts how to solve them, then using political power to force that solution on people.</p>
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		<title>Comment on School Choice Researchers Unite in Ed Week by Joy Pullmann</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/02/22/school-choice-researchers-unite-in-ed-week/#comment-26993</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joy Pullmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you mind explaining the idea of &quot;technocracy&quot; a bit more fully sometime--perhaps with an example or two? I vaguely grasp the idea but couldn&#039;t apply it myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you mind explaining the idea of &#8220;technocracy&#8221; a bit more fully sometime&#8211;perhaps with an example or two? I vaguely grasp the idea but couldn&#8217;t apply it myself.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Common Core Chickens by The Dropout Nation Midweek Monitor: Battles Over Teacher Quality Reform, Charters, and Common Core &#124; Dropout Nation: Coverage of the Reform of American Public Education Edited by RiShawn Biddle</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/02/20/common-core-chickens/#comment-26992</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Dropout Nation Midweek Monitor: Battles Over Teacher Quality Reform, Charters, and Common Core &#124; Dropout Nation: Coverage of the Reform of American Public Education Edited by RiShawn Biddle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] looks at the battle in Alabama to allow charter schools, and comments on the debate over the value of Common Core reading and math [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Lance Izumi on Nationalizing Education by allen</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/02/21/lance-izumi-on-nationalizing-education/#comment-26990</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks but I don&#039;t think Washington&#039;s a more favorable venue for reform then the states. It&#039;s just a bigger, higher-profile venue.

The reason that&#039;s important is that every poor sap who posts on this blog can relate to the experience of having people&#039;s eyes glaze over when you mention public education policy. Most people, most of the time, don&#039;t want to be bothered. Even parents, as can be proven by how *few* parents know what, even yet, a charter school is. Moving reform agenda items to the national level means the reach of the discussion is expanded and more people are made aware that there is a controversy.

In fact, I believe NCLB has failed, RttT isn&#039;t doing much better and both failures are calculable. 

The public education lobby still has a great deal of power but more then that the public education lobby has coordination. They can concentrate resources at points of vulnerability and win even though, against the potential power of their uncoordinated opposition, they&#039;re not that powerful. The public education lobby, due to that coordination, can &quot;get there fustest with the mostest&quot; and win.

The solution is to stretch them to the breaking point and national level policies like NCLB and RttT do that both directly, by requiring opposition response at the national level and indirectly by, as I wrote above, helping the uncoordinated opposition effect a degree of coordination that previously wasn&#039;t in evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks but I don&#8217;t think Washington&#8217;s a more favorable venue for reform then the states. It&#8217;s just a bigger, higher-profile venue.</p>
<p>The reason that&#8217;s important is that every poor sap who posts on this blog can relate to the experience of having people&#8217;s eyes glaze over when you mention public education policy. Most people, most of the time, don&#8217;t want to be bothered. Even parents, as can be proven by how *few* parents know what, even yet, a charter school is. Moving reform agenda items to the national level means the reach of the discussion is expanded and more people are made aware that there is a controversy.</p>
<p>In fact, I believe NCLB has failed, RttT isn&#8217;t doing much better and both failures are calculable. </p>
<p>The public education lobby still has a great deal of power but more then that the public education lobby has coordination. They can concentrate resources at points of vulnerability and win even though, against the potential power of their uncoordinated opposition, they&#8217;re not that powerful. The public education lobby, due to that coordination, can &#8220;get there fustest with the mostest&#8221; and win.</p>
<p>The solution is to stretch them to the breaking point and national level policies like NCLB and RttT do that both directly, by requiring opposition response at the national level and indirectly by, as I wrote above, helping the uncoordinated opposition effect a degree of coordination that previously wasn&#8217;t in evidence.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Desperate Need for Market Forces in Education by George mitchell</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/02/15/the-desperate-need-for-market-forces-in-education/#comment-26989</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George mitchell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Schools in the Milwaukee choice program may not reject voucher recipients who have special needs. Parents get to decide if the school can adequately serve their child. In contrast, many public Milw schools don&#039;t accept special needs students, referring them to specific schools that do accept such students. Because this issue is rife with intentional and unintended distortion, data are unclear as to the number of special needs students in the voucher program. A potential source of independent information on the topic is the School Choice Demonstration Project at U of Ark. Researchers there are concluding a 5-yr study and are expected to issue reports soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schools in the Milwaukee choice program may not reject voucher recipients who have special needs. Parents get to decide if the school can adequately serve their child. In contrast, many public Milw schools don&#8217;t accept special needs students, referring them to specific schools that do accept such students. Because this issue is rife with intentional and unintended distortion, data are unclear as to the number of special needs students in the voucher program. A potential source of independent information on the topic is the School Choice Demonstration Project at U of Ark. Researchers there are concluding a 5-yr study and are expected to issue reports soon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lance Izumi on Nationalizing Education by GGW</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/02/21/lance-izumi-on-nationalizing-education/#comment-26988</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GGW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Allen, that&#039;s a good point.  For those reformers who&#039;d like a light national touch, but who also believe DC is a venue more favorable to anti-Blob policies than states and cities, we have to pick our poison.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen, that&#8217;s a good point.  For those reformers who&#8217;d like a light national touch, but who also believe DC is a venue more favorable to anti-Blob policies than states and cities, we have to pick our poison.</p>
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