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	<title>Comments on: Randi Weingarten and Friends Respond to My WSJ Piece</title>
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		<title>By: Lisa Jones</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/10/15/randi-weingarten-and-friends-respond-to-my-wsj-piece/#comment-36135</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 01:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, I&#039;m a math teacher who assumed that all of those tweets were a result of people who hadn&#039;t actually READ the article... Unfortunately, I was wrong...  

Anyway, Jay, thanks for analysis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m a math teacher who assumed that all of those tweets were a result of people who hadn&#8217;t actually READ the article&#8230; Unfortunately, I was wrong&#8230;  </p>
<p>Anyway, Jay, thanks for analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Ladner</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/10/15/randi-weingarten-and-friends-respond-to-my-wsj-piece/#comment-36132</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Ladner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe-

Others have ably made the point that this is nothing more than unsophisticated rhetoric, and it is worth noting that when Randi challenged John Stoessel to do this a few years ago, a bunch of bureaucratic red tape prevented him from doing so. You know, the sort of red-tape that Randi&#039;s group put in place and continues to support.

Take this down another level- let&#039;s assume that Jay did spend a week teaching a class and found the system to be dysfunctional, the support indifferent to poor and the job very challenging. How then would it follow that Jay would desire to keep this lousy system as it is, with the exception of putting more money in to it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe-</p>
<p>Others have ably made the point that this is nothing more than unsophisticated rhetoric, and it is worth noting that when Randi challenged John Stoessel to do this a few years ago, a bunch of bureaucratic red tape prevented him from doing so. You know, the sort of red-tape that Randi&#8217;s group put in place and continues to support.</p>
<p>Take this down another level- let&#8217;s assume that Jay did spend a week teaching a class and found the system to be dysfunctional, the support indifferent to poor and the job very challenging. How then would it follow that Jay would desire to keep this lousy system as it is, with the exception of putting more money in to it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay P. Greene</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/10/15/randi-weingarten-and-friends-respond-to-my-wsj-piece/#comment-36125</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay P. Greene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Joe -- In addition to being a researcher and writer I am a teacher in higher education.  I know that teaching in higher ed is different, but there are some similarities and it should help answer the question about what I do for a living.  I should also emphasize that I have spent quite a lot of time in K-12 schools and so have that direct experience as well.  Lastly, I would reiterate my argument that doing is not the only way to know.  It may not even be the best way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe &#8212; In addition to being a researcher and writer I am a teacher in higher education.  I know that teaching in higher ed is different, but there are some similarities and it should help answer the question about what I do for a living.  I should also emphasize that I have spent quite a lot of time in K-12 schools and so have that direct experience as well.  Lastly, I would reiterate my argument that doing is not the only way to know.  It may not even be the best way.</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/10/15/randi-weingarten-and-friends-respond-to-my-wsj-piece/#comment-36123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, according to you, Teacher Joe, before I can express dissatisfaction with the quality of the work you&#039;re doing I&#039;ve got to demonstrate that I can do the job better? 

Dang. A good thing the surgery business doesn&#039;t work like that. 

Or the commercial pilot business either. 

Or pretty much any line of work other then teacher. And not just any teacher but public school teachers because as near as I can tell we don&#039;t get the same self-pitying whining from private school teachers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, according to you, Teacher Joe, before I can express dissatisfaction with the quality of the work you&#8217;re doing I&#8217;ve got to demonstrate that I can do the job better? </p>
<p>Dang. A good thing the surgery business doesn&#8217;t work like that. </p>
<p>Or the commercial pilot business either. </p>
<p>Or pretty much any line of work other then teacher. And not just any teacher but public school teachers because as near as I can tell we don&#8217;t get the same self-pitying whining from private school teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/10/15/randi-weingarten-and-friends-respond-to-my-wsj-piece/#comment-36119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why are they so quick to marginalize anyone who doubts the status quo? Because the tactic works. 

Or at least it did. 

Lately the tactic&#039;s been met with indifference because the credibility of experts is bedded in their ability to produce the required results. 

It doesn&#039;t matter if I know how to repair a faucet if it leaks after I&#039;ve paid to have it repaired and it doesn&#039;t matter if I know how to teach a classroom of kids if they don&#039;t learn anything after the teacher&#039;s cashed their paycheck. Getting the job done is the role of the professional, not making up excuses for why they didn&#039;t get the job done and I don&#039;t have to be better at their job then they are to criticize their shortcomings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are they so quick to marginalize anyone who doubts the status quo? Because the tactic works. </p>
<p>Or at least it did. </p>
<p>Lately the tactic&#8217;s been met with indifference because the credibility of experts is bedded in their ability to produce the required results. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if I know how to repair a faucet if it leaks after I&#8217;ve paid to have it repaired and it doesn&#8217;t matter if I know how to teach a classroom of kids if they don&#8217;t learn anything after the teacher&#8217;s cashed their paycheck. Getting the job done is the role of the professional, not making up excuses for why they didn&#8217;t get the job done and I don&#8217;t have to be better at their job then they are to criticize their shortcomings.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Jones</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/10/15/randi-weingarten-and-friends-respond-to-my-wsj-piece/#comment-36116</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe, thanks. Actually, I was not a trained avionics engineer. I had a very solid science education, but I learned enough in 18 months on the job to see clearly the critical touch point in the system.

The advantage I did have was that my assignments let me look at the entire system for an extended period. Most of my fellow engineers there did not have that luxury. 

And neither do most teachers. (Or union presidents!) 

Take my good friend Deb Meier: Hugely important experience in changing one school. But not in seeing the educational needs of an entire nation, one that lives at the forefront of change in all sectors.

Researchers like Jay, however, have that luxury. That doensn&#039;t make them immune from large errors. But the expereince of teaching full time for years is more likely to bias him toward the issues of a certain school, rather than a view of the entire nation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, thanks. Actually, I was not a trained avionics engineer. I had a very solid science education, but I learned enough in 18 months on the job to see clearly the critical touch point in the system.</p>
<p>The advantage I did have was that my assignments let me look at the entire system for an extended period. Most of my fellow engineers there did not have that luxury. </p>
<p>And neither do most teachers. (Or union presidents!) </p>
<p>Take my good friend Deb Meier: Hugely important experience in changing one school. But not in seeing the educational needs of an entire nation, one that lives at the forefront of change in all sectors.</p>
<p>Researchers like Jay, however, have that luxury. That doensn&#8217;t make them immune from large errors. But the expereince of teaching full time for years is more likely to bias him toward the issues of a certain school, rather than a view of the entire nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Teacher Joe in LA</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/10/15/randi-weingarten-and-friends-respond-to-my-wsj-piece/#comment-36115</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teacher Joe in LA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed that&#039;s nice except you are a trained avionics engineer.  What are these guys?  There is a science to avionics.  There is not one in education.  I do believe a good management engineer could fix a lot in education.  But you have to know what&#039;s not working in the system.  I&#039;ve been reading these guys for a year or two and they have no idea how the thing flies.  We need good reform.  But the money is hardly wasted in the classroom.  The real waste is in administration and at the Department of Education level.  If the DOEs were closed tomorrow classrooms would get better as teachers wouldn&#039;t have to waste time on DOE directives.  Begin thinking of the DOE&#039;s as education&#039;s equivalent of OSHA and you&#039;ll start walking toward reality.

I&#039;m a Republican teacher who&#039;s worked 10 years in the private sector and 20 in the classroom.  My gut says these guys here are sucking on the private teat of corporate foundation money intended to solve real problems.  If my guess is right they whore the system as much as the Ph.ds and  Master Ed. pushing papers as mid-level district administrators and DOE employees.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed that&#8217;s nice except you are a trained avionics engineer.  What are these guys?  There is a science to avionics.  There is not one in education.  I do believe a good management engineer could fix a lot in education.  But you have to know what&#8217;s not working in the system.  I&#8217;ve been reading these guys for a year or two and they have no idea how the thing flies.  We need good reform.  But the money is hardly wasted in the classroom.  The real waste is in administration and at the Department of Education level.  If the DOEs were closed tomorrow classrooms would get better as teachers wouldn&#8217;t have to waste time on DOE directives.  Begin thinking of the DOE&#8217;s as education&#8217;s equivalent of OSHA and you&#8217;ll start walking toward reality.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Republican teacher who&#8217;s worked 10 years in the private sector and 20 in the classroom.  My gut says these guys here are sucking on the private teat of corporate foundation money intended to solve real problems.  If my guess is right they whore the system as much as the Ph.ds and  Master Ed. pushing papers as mid-level district administrators and DOE employees.</p>
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		<title>By: Teacher Joe in LA</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/10/15/randi-weingarten-and-friends-respond-to-my-wsj-piece/#comment-36113</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teacher Joe in LA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you EVER been responsible for the whole job?  Seeing things first hand cannot compare to having responsibility for it all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you EVER been responsible for the whole job?  Seeing things first hand cannot compare to having responsibility for it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Teacher Joe in LA</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/10/15/randi-weingarten-and-friends-respond-to-my-wsj-piece/#comment-36112</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teacher Joe in LA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE take Greg up on this idea.  Then maybe once and for all you would see the absence of reality in your scientific studies in the social sciences (vs. the sciences) and the hard reality of teaching.  

I offer you my classroom.  If you take up my offer I will do all I can to get you in.  But this has to be much more real than a one day substitute.  One year is ideal, but if you take the bait I&#039;ll compromise somewhere in between.  Maybe lets do it like Tony Danza did it.  FIlm it so there&#039;s some money in the deal for you.

Come on. Shut us all up once and for all - or are you chicken?

I&#039;m sorry Matthew , Jay, Greg, what DO you do for a living?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE take Greg up on this idea.  Then maybe once and for all you would see the absence of reality in your scientific studies in the social sciences (vs. the sciences) and the hard reality of teaching.  </p>
<p>I offer you my classroom.  If you take up my offer I will do all I can to get you in.  But this has to be much more real than a one day substitute.  One year is ideal, but if you take the bait I&#8217;ll compromise somewhere in between.  Maybe lets do it like Tony Danza did it.  FIlm it so there&#8217;s some money in the deal for you.</p>
<p>Come on. Shut us all up once and for all &#8211; or are you chicken?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry Matthew , Jay, Greg, what DO you do for a living?</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/10/15/randi-weingarten-and-friends-respond-to-my-wsj-piece/#comment-36110</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Randi Weingarten has used what will remain a common rhetorical tactic: She dismisses any criticism of the education system as it exists today by insisting that the person pointing out there&#039;s room for improvement hasn&#039;t actually taught in a class. 

Why are they so quick to marginalize anyone who doubts the status quo rather than actually explain why they think it is worth preserving? Fortunately people are starting to wake up and realize that there is more to the picture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randi Weingarten has used what will remain a common rhetorical tactic: She dismisses any criticism of the education system as it exists today by insisting that the person pointing out there&#8217;s room for improvement hasn&#8217;t actually taught in a class. </p>
<p>Why are they so quick to marginalize anyone who doubts the status quo rather than actually explain why they think it is worth preserving? Fortunately people are starting to wake up and realize that there is more to the picture.</p>
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