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		<title>By: Arrum</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If scohols require waivers then the law isn&#039;t working.  If the law isn&#039;t working, why are we still spending billions on it.  Instead of raising the debt limit lets get rid of wasteful spending.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If scohols require waivers then the law isn&#8217;t working.  If the law isn&#8217;t working, why are we still spending billions on it.  Instead of raising the debt limit lets get rid of wasteful spending.</p>
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		<title>By: Retention idea works, advocates tell panel &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Retention idea works, advocates tell panel &#171;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matthew Ladner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Ladner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jolie-

I am aware the fairtest hates testing, and that unions bomb their members with a steady diet of their views. 

If however you will go to the NAEP data explorer and examine trends in student achievement in states that implemented reform programs bitterly opposed by teacher unions, a pattern emerges. MA, TX, DC and FL all serve as examples.

You don&#039;t need to trust me on this- you can look the numbers up for yourself. I&#039;m willing to predict that Indiana is next on the list, and that the most bitter opponents of the reforms will have the most crow to eat. It will take time, but just be aware that others have made complete fools out of themselves in similar situations in the past.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jolie-</p>
<p>I am aware the fairtest hates testing, and that unions bomb their members with a steady diet of their views. </p>
<p>If however you will go to the NAEP data explorer and examine trends in student achievement in states that implemented reform programs bitterly opposed by teacher unions, a pattern emerges. MA, TX, DC and FL all serve as examples.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need to trust me on this- you can look the numbers up for yourself. I&#8217;m willing to predict that Indiana is next on the list, and that the most bitter opponents of the reforms will have the most crow to eat. It will take time, but just be aware that others have made complete fools out of themselves in similar situations in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 03:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[edited]... How&#039;s come those corporations want to glom onto the severly under-funded public educaiton system?  It&#039;s severly under-funded, remember?

As for the various foundations that seek input to the &lt;i&gt;public&lt;/i&gt; education system, are you suggesting that only those of whom you approve ought to have input to the political process that is public education? Sorry, democracy doesn&#039;t work that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[edited]&#8230; How&#8217;s come those corporations want to glom onto the severly under-funded public educaiton system?  It&#8217;s severly under-funded, remember?</p>
<p>As for the various foundations that seek input to the <i>public</i> education system, are you suggesting that only those of whom you approve ought to have input to the political process that is public education? Sorry, democracy doesn&#8217;t work that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Forster</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Forster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 03:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, here&#039;s my question for the crowd who are freaked out by the idea of legislation being drafted by powerful organized interests: what system do you propose that would result in this not happening? Seriously, if there&#039;s a plausible proposal for a reform that would somehow insulate the legislative process from influence by the powerful, as a political scientist I&#039;d be fascinated to hear about it. I anticipate it would involove an end to the First Amendment so I&#039;m not saying I&#039;d endorse it, but it would be interesting to examine (in approximately the same way doctors find rare cases of disease interesting to examine).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, here&#8217;s my question for the crowd who are freaked out by the idea of legislation being drafted by powerful organized interests: what system do you propose that would result in this not happening? Seriously, if there&#8217;s a plausible proposal for a reform that would somehow insulate the legislative process from influence by the powerful, as a political scientist I&#8217;d be fascinated to hear about it. I anticipate it would involove an end to the First Amendment so I&#8217;m not saying I&#8217;d endorse it, but it would be interesting to examine (in approximately the same way doctors find rare cases of disease interesting to examine).</p>
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		<title>By: Jolie Lindley (@INChick)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jolie Lindley (@INChick)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 03:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matthew:  I can admit a mistake. I&#039;ll correct it. Most Indiana school boards universally do not like the unilateral decisions the Republican-controlled state legislature is making. Also, interesting that most states showed more growth on NAEP scores and other authentic measures in the years prior to NCLB being enacted, as shown by solid research:  http://www.fairtest.org/NCLB-lost-decade-report-home 

There is no need to update my &quot;mental models of reality&quot; on improvement under current &quot;reforms,&quot; as 10 years of research shows us that such measures are not working. However, I can, and do, update my reality based on the needs of my students on a daily basis - changing my lesson plans based on observation and daily assessment in my own classroom, observing how many of my students come to school hungry and tired and not ready to learn, and continuing my own research and reading to make sure that I am providing the best daily learning environment possible for every subject that I teach. 

While I agree more progress is needed in Indiana literacy scores, increased use of high-stakes standardized testing that utilizes mostly a multiple choice format and then using those results to punish schools and teachers is not the way to make such progress. The use of authentic assessments and teacher-driven and local-school-driven measures of growth are the best ways for each local district to increase achievement according to the needs of its local community. Additionally, to overlook the effects of ever-increasing poverty on our students&#039; scores is short-sighted and damaging to real reform efforts such as school-community partnerships that could help mitigate the disadvantages students face in their home lives. 

Finally, the influence of corporate money on these education policies and political campaign finances by such entities as the Walton family foundation, Gates foundation, the Koch brothers, and numerous others has been well-documented.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew:  I can admit a mistake. I&#8217;ll correct it. Most Indiana school boards universally do not like the unilateral decisions the Republican-controlled state legislature is making. Also, interesting that most states showed more growth on NAEP scores and other authentic measures in the years prior to NCLB being enacted, as shown by solid research:  <a href="http://www.fairtest.org/NCLB-lost-decade-report-home" rel="nofollow">http://www.fairtest.org/NCLB-lost-decade-report-home</a> </p>
<p>There is no need to update my &#8220;mental models of reality&#8221; on improvement under current &#8220;reforms,&#8221; as 10 years of research shows us that such measures are not working. However, I can, and do, update my reality based on the needs of my students on a daily basis &#8211; changing my lesson plans based on observation and daily assessment in my own classroom, observing how many of my students come to school hungry and tired and not ready to learn, and continuing my own research and reading to make sure that I am providing the best daily learning environment possible for every subject that I teach. </p>
<p>While I agree more progress is needed in Indiana literacy scores, increased use of high-stakes standardized testing that utilizes mostly a multiple choice format and then using those results to punish schools and teachers is not the way to make such progress. The use of authentic assessments and teacher-driven and local-school-driven measures of growth are the best ways for each local district to increase achievement according to the needs of its local community. Additionally, to overlook the effects of ever-increasing poverty on our students&#8217; scores is short-sighted and damaging to real reform efforts such as school-community partnerships that could help mitigate the disadvantages students face in their home lives. </p>
<p>Finally, the influence of corporate money on these education policies and political campaign finances by such entities as the Walton family foundation, Gates foundation, the Koch brothers, and numerous others has been well-documented.</p>
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		<title>By: Athena Melville</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2012/01/28/ladner-begins-campaign-for-a-second-bunkum/#comment-26312</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Athena Melville]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ALEC Exposed: State Legislative Bills Drafted by Secretive Corporate-Lawmaker Coalition

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/15/alec_exposed_state_legislative_bills_drafted]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/15/alec_exposed_state_legislative_bills_drafted" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/15/alec_exposed_state_legislative_bills_drafted</a></p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your loss Matt. February is &quot;chicken wings&quot; month and there&#039;s some good eatin&#039; between torah readings and subtly manipulating international relations. Can&#039;t say much for the choice of wine though and with the Rothschilds in charge. Go figure.

Jolie, why would corporations make such donations? Their rapacious profit-mongering can hardly find fulfillment in the public education system which, as one and all know, is severely under-funded.

As for those &quot;local school district superintendents and boards&quot;, if they suck at their jobs why should they remain in charge? It&#039;s supposed to be the public &lt;i&gt;education&lt;/i&gt; system. If there&#039;s not enough educating going on then one perfectly appropriate response is to make a couple of little changes to the system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your loss Matt. February is &#8220;chicken wings&#8221; month and there&#8217;s some good eatin&#8217; between torah readings and subtly manipulating international relations. Can&#8217;t say much for the choice of wine though and with the Rothschilds in charge. Go figure.</p>
<p>Jolie, why would corporations make such donations? Their rapacious profit-mongering can hardly find fulfillment in the public education system which, as one and all know, is severely under-funded.</p>
<p>As for those &#8220;local school district superintendents and boards&#8221;, if they suck at their jobs why should they remain in charge? It&#8217;s supposed to be the public <i>education</i> system. If there&#8217;s not enough educating going on then one perfectly appropriate response is to make a couple of little changes to the system.</p>
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		<title>By: matthewladner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matthewladner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Allen-

Sadly my conspiracy calendar is totally booked for as far as the eye can see.

Jolie-

Please note the use of the phrase &quot;districts and states&quot; in the post. In some places these reforms are developed at the district level, and others at the state level. 

I&#039;m guessing that you meant &quot;universally&quot; rather than &quot;unilaterally&quot; but that is (unfortunately) to be expected. I hope that you guys will keep an eye on student performance metrics and update your mental models of reality when they begin to improve.

For instance on the 2011 8th Grade Reading NAEP, 32% of Indiana low-income children scored &quot;Below Basic&quot; while only 19% scored &quot;Proficient or Better.&quot; Thus after nine years of schooling, illiteracy outranks solid to outstanding reading performance by a wide margin. Indiana schools can/should/must/will do much better.

When the needle starts moving in the right direction for disadvantaged children, as it has in other places, those complaining the loudest will have gambled and lost their credibility. Please place your bets with care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen-</p>
<p>Sadly my conspiracy calendar is totally booked for as far as the eye can see.</p>
<p>Jolie-</p>
<p>Please note the use of the phrase &#8220;districts and states&#8221; in the post. In some places these reforms are developed at the district level, and others at the state level. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing that you meant &#8220;universally&#8221; rather than &#8220;unilaterally&#8221; but that is (unfortunately) to be expected. I hope that you guys will keep an eye on student performance metrics and update your mental models of reality when they begin to improve.</p>
<p>For instance on the 2011 8th Grade Reading NAEP, 32% of Indiana low-income children scored &#8220;Below Basic&#8221; while only 19% scored &#8220;Proficient or Better.&#8221; Thus after nine years of schooling, illiteracy outranks solid to outstanding reading performance by a wide margin. Indiana schools can/should/must/will do much better.</p>
<p>When the needle starts moving in the right direction for disadvantaged children, as it has in other places, those complaining the loudest will have gambled and lost their credibility. Please place your bets with care.</p>
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		<title>By: Jolie Lindley (@INChick)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jolie Lindley (@INChick)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve got news for you. These reforms, at least in Indiana, are NOT being adopted by local school boards. They are being enacted by our legislature, bought with campaign donations from big corporations, and dictated to our local school boards. The local school district superintendents and boards no longer have control over education in their districts and almost unilaterally do not support what the legislature is doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got news for you. These reforms, at least in Indiana, are NOT being adopted by local school boards. They are being enacted by our legislature, bought with campaign donations from big corporations, and dictated to our local school boards. The local school district superintendents and boards no longer have control over education in their districts and almost unilaterally do not support what the legislature is doing.</p>
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