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		<title>By: MOMwithAbrain</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2010/07/23/are-national-standards-conservative/#comment-13377</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EXACTLY Patrick.  This reminds me of Bush embracing Kennedy&#039;s NCLB.  Who was the one who caught all of the flack on NCLB?  Bush, even though it was pushed on him by Kennedy.
When will Republicans learn?  Now you have Obama reinstating NCLB.  
Looks like we&#039;re going to waste a lot more money before we get done destroying educaiton in this country]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EXACTLY Patrick.  This reminds me of Bush embracing Kennedy&#8217;s NCLB.  Who was the one who caught all of the flack on NCLB?  Bush, even though it was pushed on him by Kennedy.<br />
When will Republicans learn?  Now you have Obama reinstating NCLB.<br />
Looks like we&#8217;re going to waste a lot more money before we get done destroying educaiton in this country</p>
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		<title>By: Jay P. Greene</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2010/07/23/are-national-standards-conservative/#comment-13373</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay P. Greene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some left-wingers are.  See the EPIC piece by Mathis.  

As it turn out, the world can&#039;t neatly be divided into 2 teams as much as their op-ed tried to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some left-wingers are.  See the EPIC piece by Mathis.  </p>
<p>As it turn out, the world can&#8217;t neatly be divided into 2 teams as much as their op-ed tried to.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If conservatives should be in favor of national standards for the reasons they gave above, shouldn&#039;t the left wing be against it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If conservatives should be in favor of national standards for the reasons they gave above, shouldn&#8217;t the left wing be against it?</p>
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		<title>By: National Education Standards and Catholic Schools &#171; Catholic Schools: Nurturing the Soul of a Nation</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2010/07/23/are-national-standards-conservative/#comment-13330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[National Education Standards and Catholic Schools &#171; Catholic Schools: Nurturing the Soul of a Nation]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] blog are much more skeptical.  They have weighed in on the issue AGAINST national standards here, here, here, and especially here.  Their position can best be summarized with these remarks from [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blog are much more skeptical.  They have weighed in on the issue AGAINST national standards here, here, here, and especially here.  Their position can best be summarized with these remarks from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Benefield</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2010/07/23/are-national-standards-conservative/#comment-13293</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan Benefield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this.  I stopped reading the Finn/Petrilli piece after the claiming the Common Core adoption was &quot;occurring with little outcry from the right, save for a half-dozen libertarians who don’t much care for government to start with.&quot;

Not only are they wrong about the level of criticism, and completely distort libertarians, but the main reason there has been &quot;little outcry&quot; is that few voters know this is happening.  It was buried in the stimulus legislation, and has since been overshadowed by health care, Wall Street &quot;reform&quot;, unemployment benefits extensions, Cap &amp; Trade, and other policy matters.

I would hypothesize that if we took a poll today on &quot;Do you support [your state&#039;s] board of education adopting the Common Core Curriculum?&quot; the results would be:
Yes: 7%
No: 6%
Huh?: 87%]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this.  I stopped reading the Finn/Petrilli piece after the claiming the Common Core adoption was &#8220;occurring with little outcry from the right, save for a half-dozen libertarians who don’t much care for government to start with.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not only are they wrong about the level of criticism, and completely distort libertarians, but the main reason there has been &#8220;little outcry&#8221; is that few voters know this is happening.  It was buried in the stimulus legislation, and has since been overshadowed by health care, Wall Street &#8220;reform&#8221;, unemployment benefits extensions, Cap &amp; Trade, and other policy matters.</p>
<p>I would hypothesize that if we took a poll today on &#8220;Do you support [your state's] board of education adopting the Common Core Curriculum?&#8221; the results would be:<br />
Yes: 7%<br />
No: 6%<br />
Huh?: 87%</p>
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		<title>By: Eric S. Howard</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2010/07/23/are-national-standards-conservative/#comment-13292</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric S. Howard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Several good points have been made in the comments regarding the seemingly paradoxical alignment of self-identified “conservatives” and their support for the proposed national standards. Most likely related policy concerns such as accountability and the use of high stakes testing play a role in driving some of the support for centralization. 

Friedrich Hayek wrote in The Constitution of Liberty (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1960), interestingly the same volume that contains Hayek’s essay “Why I’m Not a Conservative,” that education in particular requires multiple perspectives and standards: “There is not – and cannot be in a free society – a single standard by which we can decide on the relative importance of different aims or the relative desirability of different methods. Perhaps in no other field is the continued availability of alternative ways so important as in that of education, where the task is to prepare young people for an ever changing world” (p. 385).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several good points have been made in the comments regarding the seemingly paradoxical alignment of self-identified “conservatives” and their support for the proposed national standards. Most likely related policy concerns such as accountability and the use of high stakes testing play a role in driving some of the support for centralization. </p>
<p>Friedrich Hayek wrote in The Constitution of Liberty (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1960), interestingly the same volume that contains Hayek’s essay “Why I’m Not a Conservative,” that education in particular requires multiple perspectives and standards: “There is not – and cannot be in a free society – a single standard by which we can decide on the relative importance of different aims or the relative desirability of different methods. Perhaps in no other field is the continued availability of alternative ways so important as in that of education, where the task is to prepare young people for an ever changing world” (p. 385).</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2010/07/23/are-national-standards-conservative/#comment-13288</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As regular readers of this blog know, I too am offended when a distinct philosophy that I identify with is used to promote policies that I believe are inconsistent with said philosophy.  But maybe it is a losing battle to continually ty to make these corrections. It may be time for libertarian-leaning people on the right and the left to let go of the terms liberal and conservative alltogether...so much has been done to undermine both terms that I don&#039;t know that they are truly salvageable. Power corrupts, and the moment so-called conservatives and so-called liberals feel that the balance of power has shifted their way, they instantly turn into authoritarians.  This cycle, playing out over the last 100 years or so, has only grown the size of the state, with each side taking their turn to try and manufacture desired outcomes as opposed to sticking to their core philosophies. I think from here on out, I am going to simply claim to be a libertarian.  The chances of libertarians gaining power is slim.  As such the chances of the term being corrupted are equally slim.

For those who want to keep fighting to salvage the terminology, consider this additional excerpt from Checker and Petrilli&#039;s column:

‎&quot;Three years ago, an Education Next poll asked whether people favored “a single ‎national standard and a single national test for all students in the United States? Or do ‎you think that there should be different standards and tests in different states?”  ‎

It wasn’t even close. A whopping 73 percent of respondents wanted a single test, and ‎Republicans were likelier to support this idea than Democrats. Those self-identifying ‎as “extremely conservative” were by far the most enthusiastic about national testing: 88 ‎percent of them favored the single test approach, versus 64 percent of liberals.&quot;‎

That&#039;s worth re-stating: 88% of those who self-identified as &quot;extremely conservative&quot; favored the centralized option. Taking back the term &quot;conservative&quot; against numbers like that seems like a sisyphean task of enormous proportion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As regular readers of this blog know, I too am offended when a distinct philosophy that I identify with is used to promote policies that I believe are inconsistent with said philosophy.  But maybe it is a losing battle to continually ty to make these corrections. It may be time for libertarian-leaning people on the right and the left to let go of the terms liberal and conservative alltogether&#8230;so much has been done to undermine both terms that I don&#8217;t know that they are truly salvageable. Power corrupts, and the moment so-called conservatives and so-called liberals feel that the balance of power has shifted their way, they instantly turn into authoritarians.  This cycle, playing out over the last 100 years or so, has only grown the size of the state, with each side taking their turn to try and manufacture desired outcomes as opposed to sticking to their core philosophies. I think from here on out, I am going to simply claim to be a libertarian.  The chances of libertarians gaining power is slim.  As such the chances of the term being corrupted are equally slim.</p>
<p>For those who want to keep fighting to salvage the terminology, consider this additional excerpt from Checker and Petrilli&#8217;s column:</p>
<p>‎&#8221;Three years ago, an Education Next poll asked whether people favored “a single ‎national standard and a single national test for all students in the United States? Or do ‎you think that there should be different standards and tests in different states?”  ‎</p>
<p>It wasn’t even close. A whopping 73 percent of respondents wanted a single test, and ‎Republicans were likelier to support this idea than Democrats. Those self-identifying ‎as “extremely conservative” were by far the most enthusiastic about national testing: 88 ‎percent of them favored the single test approach, versus 64 percent of liberals.&#8221;‎</p>
<p>That&#8217;s worth re-stating: 88% of those who self-identified as &#8220;extremely conservative&#8221; favored the centralized option. Taking back the term &#8220;conservative&#8221; against numbers like that seems like a sisyphean task of enormous proportion.</p>
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		<title>By: MOMwithAbrain</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2010/07/23/are-national-standards-conservative/#comment-13281</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BRAVO.  This Conservative understands the role of the federal govt. and obviously Checkter needs to go back and read the 10th Amendment!

Mathew you are exactly right.  When Kevin Jennings injects his political agenda in the standards, maybe they&#039;ll wake up.
When P21 inject their &quot;soft skills&quot; in the standards, maybe they&#039;ll wake up.  
When our students are graduating as political activists and community organizers who don&#039;t know how to add/subtract, spell or write, maybe they&#039;ll wake up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BRAVO.  This Conservative understands the role of the federal govt. and obviously Checkter needs to go back and read the 10th Amendment!</p>
<p>Mathew you are exactly right.  When Kevin Jennings injects his political agenda in the standards, maybe they&#8217;ll wake up.<br />
When P21 inject their &#8220;soft skills&#8221; in the standards, maybe they&#8217;ll wake up.<br />
When our students are graduating as political activists and community organizers who don&#8217;t know how to add/subtract, spell or write, maybe they&#8217;ll wake up.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Forster</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2010/07/23/are-national-standards-conservative/#comment-13280</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Forster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Conservatives generally favor setting a “single standard” for everybody. Setting different standards for different people — think affirmative action, for instance — is an idea most associated with the Left.&lt;/i&gt;

As I&#039;ve said before when they&#039;ve made this kind of ridiculous assertion, what conservatives favor is not a single &lt;i&gt;model of life&lt;/i&gt; imposed on everyone, but a single &lt;i&gt;set of rules&lt;/i&gt; everyone is equally obligated to follow. The reason we want this is precisely because we value the individual liberty that allows everyone to do things their own way. Governing society by a neutral set of rules where everyone is under the same &lt;i&gt;obligations&lt;/i&gt; is the only way to allow everyone to follow different and individually chosen &lt;i&gt;life arrangements&lt;/i&gt;. National standards represent a step toward standardizing everyone&#039;s life arrangements, and therefore a step away from the conservative model of governance grounded in netural rules of obligation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Conservatives generally favor setting a “single standard” for everybody. Setting different standards for different people — think affirmative action, for instance — is an idea most associated with the Left.</i></p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said before when they&#8217;ve made this kind of ridiculous assertion, what conservatives favor is not a single <i>model of life</i> imposed on everyone, but a single <i>set of rules</i> everyone is equally obligated to follow. The reason we want this is precisely because we value the individual liberty that allows everyone to do things their own way. Governing society by a neutral set of rules where everyone is under the same <i>obligations</i> is the only way to allow everyone to follow different and individually chosen <i>life arrangements</i>. National standards represent a step toward standardizing everyone&#8217;s life arrangements, and therefore a step away from the conservative model of governance grounded in netural rules of obligation.</p>
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		<title>By: matthewladner</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone turn over the cosmic hourglass and start the countdown until Checker and Mike are against the national standards themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone turn over the cosmic hourglass and start the countdown until Checker and Mike are against the national standards themselves.</p>
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