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	<title>Comments on: EdWize&#8217;s Racial Libel</title>
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		<title>By: thushara wijeratna</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/09/28/edwizes-racial-libel/#comment-15026</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Hoxby’s study is statistically flawed because it does not (cannot) control for the crucial peer group variable:

http://bsdbudget.blogspot.com/2010/09/flawed-statistical-methods-of.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Hoxby’s study is statistically flawed because it does not (cannot) control for the crucial peer group variable:</p>
<p><a href="http://bsdbudget.blogspot.com/2010/09/flawed-statistical-methods-of.html" rel="nofollow">http://bsdbudget.blogspot.com/2010/09/flawed-statistical-methods-of.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: thushara wijeratna</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/09/28/edwizes-racial-libel/#comment-15025</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thushara wijeratna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Hoxby&#039;s study is statistically flawed because it does not (cannot) control for the crucial peer group variable:

http://bsdbudget.blogspot.com/2010/09/flawed-statistical-methods-of.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Hoxby&#8217;s study is statistically flawed because it does not (cannot) control for the crucial peer group variable:</p>
<p><a href="http://bsdbudget.blogspot.com/2010/09/flawed-statistical-methods-of.html" rel="nofollow">http://bsdbudget.blogspot.com/2010/09/flawed-statistical-methods-of.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mid-Riffs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Charter Schools, Vouchers, and &#8220;Segregation&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/09/28/edwizes-racial-libel/#comment-6756</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mid-Riffs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Charter Schools, Vouchers, and &#8220;Segregation&#8221;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] black and white students perfectly mirrors a nearby school, opponents of charter schools can always come up with a different comparison (district-wide demographics, demographics of whatever traditional public school the students [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] black and white students perfectly mirrors a nearby school, opponents of charter schools can always come up with a different comparison (district-wide demographics, demographics of whatever traditional public school the students [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Forster</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/09/28/edwizes-racial-libel/#comment-6653</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we had to make a choice between freedom and desegregation, I&#039;d choose freedom, and I would take more or less the line you do.But then you&#039;re essentially saying, yes, people will use their freedom to seek out a state of racial isolation which can reasonably be expected to reduce prospects for a sense of shared citizenship that transcends race. Why affirm that perception if it happens to be factually wrong? And you would also be throwing away one of the most powerful arguments in favor of freedom - that it actually accomplishes the desirable goals that the socialists always promise but never deliver.

If all other things are equal, we&#039;re better off if kids aren&#039;t being raised in racial isolation - especially if we believe in colorblind citizenship. Since in fact not only are all other things equal, but the same policy that accomplishes desegregation also accomplishes our other policy objectives, why *not* make this argument?

Desegregation is our turf, not theirs. Every time I&#039;ve had this argument I&#039;ve won - big time. They&#039;re just not smart enough to have realized that yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we had to make a choice between freedom and desegregation, I&#8217;d choose freedom, and I would take more or less the line you do.But then you&#8217;re essentially saying, yes, people will use their freedom to seek out a state of racial isolation which can reasonably be expected to reduce prospects for a sense of shared citizenship that transcends race. Why affirm that perception if it happens to be factually wrong? And you would also be throwing away one of the most powerful arguments in favor of freedom &#8211; that it actually accomplishes the desirable goals that the socialists always promise but never deliver.</p>
<p>If all other things are equal, we&#8217;re better off if kids aren&#8217;t being raised in racial isolation &#8211; especially if we believe in colorblind citizenship. Since in fact not only are all other things equal, but the same policy that accomplishes desegregation also accomplishes our other policy objectives, why *not* make this argument?</p>
<p>Desegregation is our turf, not theirs. Every time I&#8217;ve had this argument I&#8217;ve won &#8211; big time. They&#8217;re just not smart enough to have realized that yet.</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/09/28/edwizes-racial-libel/#comment-6647</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg, you&#039;re working way to hard by playing according to rules set by the lefty.

The problem isn&#039;t segregation and it never has been. People segregate all the time. Dark-skinned black kids sit with dark-skinned black kids and light-skinned black kids sit with light-skinned black kids at historic black colleges.

What&#039;s unacceptable in a democracy is forced segregation of the citizenry.

That&#039;s the crucial difference, and all the difference that&#039;s necessary, between Brown v. Topeka and a 95% black charter school.

Other then the obvious ethical difference between forced and voluntary segregation, the other important difference is that those who voluntarily segregate themselves have to accept the cost of self-segregation to access its value. That&#039;s why all those wonderful ethnic neighborhoods have fallen apart; the cost of a common language, heritage, foods, etc gradually became high enough that fewer and fewer were willing to accept the bargain.

Mr. Gyurko&#039;s manufactured concern over some theoretical, societal cost of voluntary segregation diminishes to insignificance before the value parents see in the power to exercise control over the education of their child.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, you&#8217;re working way to hard by playing according to rules set by the lefty.</p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t segregation and it never has been. People segregate all the time. Dark-skinned black kids sit with dark-skinned black kids and light-skinned black kids sit with light-skinned black kids at historic black colleges.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s unacceptable in a democracy is forced segregation of the citizenry.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the crucial difference, and all the difference that&#8217;s necessary, between Brown v. Topeka and a 95% black charter school.</p>
<p>Other then the obvious ethical difference between forced and voluntary segregation, the other important difference is that those who voluntarily segregate themselves have to accept the cost of self-segregation to access its value. That&#8217;s why all those wonderful ethnic neighborhoods have fallen apart; the cost of a common language, heritage, foods, etc gradually became high enough that fewer and fewer were willing to accept the bargain.</p>
<p>Mr. Gyurko&#8217;s manufactured concern over some theoretical, societal cost of voluntary segregation diminishes to insignificance before the value parents see in the power to exercise control over the education of their child.</p>
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		<title>By: Mid-Riffs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lawyer Does Math and More Charter Bashing</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/09/28/edwizes-racial-libel/#comment-6637</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mid-Riffs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lawyer Does Math and More Charter Bashing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Jay P. Greene&#8217;s Blog has a guest post by Greg Forster about charter schools and segregation.   Riff [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jay P. Greene&#8217;s Blog has a guest post by Greg Forster about charter schools and segregation.   Riff [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Forster</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/09/28/edwizes-racial-libel/#comment-6636</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Forster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks on both counts! It&#039;s my first original graphic for the blog.

If only he were holding those cards at a 90 degree angle - or if I had real image editing software that would let me rotate the text! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks on both counts! It&#8217;s my first original graphic for the blog.</p>
<p>If only he were holding those cards at a 90 degree angle &#8211; or if I had real image editing software that would let me rotate the text! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/09/28/edwizes-racial-libel/#comment-6635</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nicely done and well said. Nice picture too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely done and well said. Nice picture too.</p>
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