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		<title>By: Eduwonk Agrees on Obama&#8217;s Edu-mistake &#171; Schools for Tomorrow</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/05/12/kevin-careys-too-cool-for-vouchers-and-cooler-than-you/#comment-4954</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eduwonk Agrees on Obama&#8217;s Edu-mistake &#171; Schools for Tomorrow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] might want to pop up some popcorn and follow the fun Edu-debate (whoops, there I go again!) between Jay Greene and Kevin Carey. I&#8217;m not afraid to take sides, but wherever you&#8217;re coming from, I think [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] might want to pop up some popcorn and follow the fun Edu-debate (whoops, there I go again!) between Jay Greene and Kevin Carey. I&#8217;m not afraid to take sides, but wherever you&#8217;re coming from, I think [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 20:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Microsoft Excel doesn&#039;t kill people, people kill people.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Robert Pondiscio</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/05/12/kevin-careys-too-cool-for-vouchers-and-cooler-than-you/#comment-4924</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Pondiscio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 19:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All well and good, and if you wish to defend Kevin&#039;s column; I won&#039;t take issue.  But I will say I found his remark that this is &quot;basically just an exercise in seeing what happens when you take a couple thousand students out of pretty bad schools&quot; to show a lack of regard for the fate of individuals.  Those students and their families will doubtless be surprised to find out they were basically just an exercise, the outcome of which was never in doubt.  

I&#039;m sorry if you interpreted that as a blanket condemnation of everyone who works with spreadsheets.  If anything, it&#039;s a blanket condemnation of those who fail to see words as the blunt instruments they can become when carelessly wielded.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All well and good, and if you wish to defend Kevin&#8217;s column; I won&#8217;t take issue.  But I will say I found his remark that this is &#8220;basically just an exercise in seeing what happens when you take a couple thousand students out of pretty bad schools&#8221; to show a lack of regard for the fate of individuals.  Those students and their families will doubtless be surprised to find out they were basically just an exercise, the outcome of which was never in doubt.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry if you interpreted that as a blanket condemnation of everyone who works with spreadsheets.  If anything, it&#8217;s a blanket condemnation of those who fail to see words as the blunt instruments they can become when carelessly wielded.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Forster</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/05/12/kevin-careys-too-cool-for-vouchers-and-cooler-than-you/#comment-4923</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Forster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad you&#039;re focused on the real-world results of vouchers. But you&#039;re wrong if you think that those of us who work with spreadsheets for a living don&#039;t also care about the real-world results. What do you think we&#039;re measuring? We&#039;re measuring the difference vouchers make to that one, and that one, and that one . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re focused on the real-world results of vouchers. But you&#8217;re wrong if you think that those of us who work with spreadsheets for a living don&#8217;t also care about the real-world results. What do you think we&#8217;re measuring? We&#8217;re measuring the difference vouchers make to that one, and that one, and that one . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pondiscio</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/05/12/kevin-careys-too-cool-for-vouchers-and-cooler-than-you/#comment-4922</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Pondiscio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will confess that I&#039;m agnostic on vouchers as public policy.  Whether or not they are effective levers for school improvement has never much mattered to me.  Indeed, it strikes me as beside the point.  

When I was teaching, I sat through a preservice workshop with an avuncular old veteran teacher, who told the now-familiar tale of the young man standing among countless starfish stranded by the high tide, pitching them one by one back into the see.  Told he&#039;s wasting his time, there are too many starfish and he can&#039;t possibly make a difference, he replies, &quot;It made a difference to that one,&quot; and continues his work.

Go ahead, smirk.  Roll your eyes knowingly at the sentimentality of the treacly tale.  But for those of us who have come to know children by name and not as data points, it&#039;s a tale that resonates.  

So it is with vouchers.  It makes a difference to that one.  And that one.  And that by the way, is how I tell the difference between people who are serious about education reform and those who are not.  They consider the impact of their policies on individuals--people with names, faces, hopes and ambitions who will forever remain silent and invisible on spreadsheets.  

Now if you&#039;ll excuse me, I&#039;ll go back to concerning myself with my long list of things that don&#039;t really matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will confess that I&#8217;m agnostic on vouchers as public policy.  Whether or not they are effective levers for school improvement has never much mattered to me.  Indeed, it strikes me as beside the point.  </p>
<p>When I was teaching, I sat through a preservice workshop with an avuncular old veteran teacher, who told the now-familiar tale of the young man standing among countless starfish stranded by the high tide, pitching them one by one back into the see.  Told he&#8217;s wasting his time, there are too many starfish and he can&#8217;t possibly make a difference, he replies, &#8220;It made a difference to that one,&#8221; and continues his work.</p>
<p>Go ahead, smirk.  Roll your eyes knowingly at the sentimentality of the treacly tale.  But for those of us who have come to know children by name and not as data points, it&#8217;s a tale that resonates.  </p>
<p>So it is with vouchers.  It makes a difference to that one.  And that one.  And that by the way, is how I tell the difference between people who are serious about education reform and those who are not.  They consider the impact of their policies on individuals&#8211;people with names, faces, hopes and ambitions who will forever remain silent and invisible on spreadsheets.  </p>
<p>Now if you&#8217;ll excuse me, I&#8217;ll go back to concerning myself with my long list of things that don&#8217;t really matter.</p>
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		<title>By: michael mazenko</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[michael mazenko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whatever works.  Whatever works.

It seems that the charter movement is the most logical adaptation for a system in place, offering the same opportunities the vouchers might.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever works.  Whatever works.</p>
<p>It seems that the charter movement is the most logical adaptation for a system in place, offering the same opportunities the vouchers might.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed is Watching &#187; Silly Little Me, Making a Big Deal Out of Those Poor D.C. Kids &#38; Their Vouchers</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/05/12/kevin-careys-too-cool-for-vouchers-and-cooler-than-you/#comment-4920</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] It looks like I have been out-sillied by Jay Greene, who has posted the original unedited draft of &#8220;too cool&#8221; Kevin Carey&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It looks like I have been out-sillied by Jay Greene, who has posted the original unedited draft of &#8220;too cool&#8221; Kevin Carey&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Do vouchers matter? at Joanne Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/05/12/kevin-careys-too-cool-for-vouchers-and-cooler-than-you/#comment-4919</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Do vouchers matter? at Joanne Jacobs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 17:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A better education for 1,700 low-income students is nothing to sneer at, counters Jay P. Greene. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A better education for 1,700 low-income students is nothing to sneer at, counters Jay P. Greene. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/05/12/kevin-careys-too-cool-for-vouchers-and-cooler-than-you/#comment-4915</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, I wonder what Kevin was hoping to accomplish by being so smug.  Doesn&#039;t he know how it comes across?

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLpx_yioYik&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I wonder what Kevin was hoping to accomplish by being so smug.  Doesn&#8217;t he know how it comes across?</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://jaypgreene.com/2009/05/12/kevin-careys-too-cool-for-vouchers-and-cooler-than-you/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/VLpx_yioYik/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well honestly it is too bad schools aren’t run like Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart actually helps the poor better than our government does. I mean, think about it, we spend hundreds of billions on corporate bailouts, farm subsidies, and tariffs on imported foods all making the cost of goods (especially food) artificially more expensive.

Then to feel better for ourselves we toss $20-30 billion over to the poor for food stamps and people think we’ve done our part to help make their lives better. Good for us!

That would be like Wal-Mart handing out cash coupons to people well above the median income level then charging everyone else for that service.

Then again, Wal-Mart wouldn’t survive for long if we did that. There is always Target, and Vons, and Best Buy, and Food Lion, and Costco, and….]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well honestly it is too bad schools aren’t run like Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart actually helps the poor better than our government does. I mean, think about it, we spend hundreds of billions on corporate bailouts, farm subsidies, and tariffs on imported foods all making the cost of goods (especially food) artificially more expensive.</p>
<p>Then to feel better for ourselves we toss $20-30 billion over to the poor for food stamps and people think we’ve done our part to help make their lives better. Good for us!</p>
<p>That would be like Wal-Mart handing out cash coupons to people well above the median income level then charging everyone else for that service.</p>
<p>Then again, Wal-Mart wouldn’t survive for long if we did that. There is always Target, and Vons, and Best Buy, and Food Lion, and Costco, and….</p>
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