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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/03/09/creative-destruction-in-public-schooling/#comment-3952</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am familiar with charter schools and magnet schools. What distinguishes a &quot;magnet charter school&quot; from either or both? Is the policy you describe set by the state, school district board, or school administration?

The legal summary I quoted above grants the same terms to public charter schools as traditional schools. They can administer diagnostic testing but cannot turn a student away &quot;on the basis of a child’s knowledge, skills, or disability.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am familiar with charter schools and magnet schools. What distinguishes a &#8220;magnet charter school&#8221; from either or both? Is the policy you describe set by the state, school district board, or school administration?</p>
<p>The legal summary I quoted above grants the same terms to public charter schools as traditional schools. They can administer diagnostic testing but cannot turn a student away &#8220;on the basis of a child’s knowledge, skills, or disability.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: michael mazenko</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[michael mazenko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Check the admission requirements for the states magnet charter schools.  

I know my son had to apply and test for admission to one, and students are identified as &quot;academically qualified.&quot;  The state policy is a little more complex than you understand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check the admission requirements for the states magnet charter schools.  </p>
<p>I know my son had to apply and test for admission to one, and students are identified as &#8220;academically qualified.&#8221;  The state policy is a little more complex than you understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/03/09/creative-destruction-in-public-schooling/#comment-3950</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As cited above, Colorado&#039;s public charter schools are allowed to operate no differently than other public schools in this regard. What is the evidence for your claim to the contrary?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As cited above, Colorado&#8217;s public charter schools are allowed to operate no differently than other public schools in this regard. What is the evidence for your claim to the contrary?</p>
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		<title>By: michael mazenko</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/03/09/creative-destruction-in-public-schooling/#comment-3949</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[michael mazenko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charter schools operating as magnet schools can and do test the academic abilities of students as a prerequisite for admission.  They can also remove students for failure to maintain certain levels of academic achievement.  Perhaps I wasn&#039;t clear in the distinction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charter schools operating as magnet schools can and do test the academic abilities of students as a prerequisite for admission.  They can also remove students for failure to maintain certain levels of academic achievement.  Perhaps I wasn&#8217;t clear in the distinction.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed is Watching &#187; Colorado Charter-Friendliness Gets a B, As 41,000 Students Wait to Get In</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/03/09/creative-destruction-in-public-schooling/#comment-3942</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed is Watching &#187; Colorado Charter-Friendliness Gets a B, As 41,000 Students Wait to Get In]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Also according to the report, there currently are 151 charter schools operating in Colorado that serve more than 54,000 students&#8211;with 41,000 more on waiting lists to get in! With performance like that cited above, it&#8217;s not hard to see why. In addition, over the past 15 years, a total of 10 charter schools have closed down, mostly for financial reasons. One good thing about charters is that if one of them isn&#8217;t working, it&#8217;s easier to shut down than other schools &#8212; a point elaborated on by Matt Ladner. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Also according to the report, there currently are 151 charter schools operating in Colorado that serve more than 54,000 students&#8211;with 41,000 more on waiting lists to get in! With performance like that cited above, it&#8217;s not hard to see why. In addition, over the past 15 years, a total of 10 charter schools have closed down, mostly for financial reasons. One good thing about charters is that if one of them isn&#8217;t working, it&#8217;s easier to shut down than other schools &#8212; a point elaborated on by Matt Ladner. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is Mr. Mazenko claiming that Colorado&#039;s public charter schools operate under a different set of rules than other public schools when it comes to student admission and dismissal?

If so, he is incorrect (http://www.cde.state.co.us/cdechart/faq.htm):

&quot;The Charter Schools Act [C.R.S. 22-30.5-104 (3)] prohibits discrimination based on academic ability. Diagnostic or placement exams may be given to students after they have been officially enrolled. As with all public schools, a charter school may create eligibility thresholds for enrollment that are consistent with their area of focus or grade levels, but the school’s methods for determining eligibility cannot be designed, intended, or used to discriminate on the basis of a child’s knowledge, skills, or disability. For instance, a charter high school may deny admission to a student not completing the 8th grade, but it cannot deny admission to a student who has an “unsatisfactory” score on a CSAP test.&quot;

Yes, some charter schools in Colorado employ a lottery system, and some use a first-come, first-served waiting list method. But they cannot discriminate any more or less than any other public school that receives a student either through neighborhood assignment or open enrollment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Mr. Mazenko claiming that Colorado&#8217;s public charter schools operate under a different set of rules than other public schools when it comes to student admission and dismissal?</p>
<p>If so, he is incorrect (<a href="http://www.cde.state.co.us/cdechart/faq.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cde.state.co.us/cdechart/faq.htm</a>):</p>
<p>&#8220;The Charter Schools Act [C.R.S. 22-30.5-104 (3)] prohibits discrimination based on academic ability. Diagnostic or placement exams may be given to students after they have been officially enrolled. As with all public schools, a charter school may create eligibility thresholds for enrollment that are consistent with their area of focus or grade levels, but the school’s methods for determining eligibility cannot be designed, intended, or used to discriminate on the basis of a child’s knowledge, skills, or disability. For instance, a charter high school may deny admission to a student not completing the 8th grade, but it cannot deny admission to a student who has an “unsatisfactory” score on a CSAP test.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, some charter schools in Colorado employ a lottery system, and some use a first-come, first-served waiting list method. But they cannot discriminate any more or less than any other public school that receives a student either through neighborhood assignment or open enrollment.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe one of the Arizona schools as an ancient wheel buried under the gym that, when turned, will allow you to travel back in time. Perhaps to a time before public schools became a backward looking monstrosity. 

Be careful of the schools defense systems though – PTA yes moms and unionistas will hound you to death with their siren calls for more “per pupil spending” and “adequate funding.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe one of the Arizona schools as an ancient wheel buried under the gym that, when turned, will allow you to travel back in time. Perhaps to a time before public schools became a backward looking monstrosity. </p>
<p>Be careful of the schools defense systems though – PTA yes moms and unionistas will hound you to death with their siren calls for more “per pupil spending” and “adequate funding.”</p>
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		<title>By: matthewladner</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/03/09/creative-destruction-in-public-schooling/#comment-3932</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian-

Hmmmmmmm...creative destruction...Dharma Initiative....it&#039;s all starting to make sense.

Michael-

Yes and there is an expulsion procedure for behavior. The same is true of district schools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian-</p>
<p>Hmmmmmmm&#8230;creative destruction&#8230;Dharma Initiative&#8230;.it&#8217;s all starting to make sense.</p>
<p>Michael-</p>
<p>Yes and there is an expulsion procedure for behavior. The same is true of district schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/03/09/creative-destruction-in-public-schooling/#comment-3931</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think my attempt at humor failed.  I didn&#039;t mean THE John Locke, I meant the character John Locke from Lost.  There is a strong resemblence.

http://www.redzeppelin.org/images/07/050207.jpg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think my attempt at humor failed.  I didn&#8217;t mean THE John Locke, I meant the character John Locke from Lost.  There is a strong resemblence.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.redzeppelin.org/images/07/050207.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.redzeppelin.org/images/07/050207.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: michael mazenko</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/03/09/creative-destruction-in-public-schooling/#comment-3930</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[michael mazenko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two other questions:

Do students/families have to enter their names in the lotteries?

Can students lose their place for performance or behavior?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two other questions:</p>
<p>Do students/families have to enter their names in the lotteries?</p>
<p>Can students lose their place for performance or behavior?</p>
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