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		<title>By: Teaching unmeasurable skills at Joanne Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/01/27/critical-thinking-about-critical-thinking/#comment-3499</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaching unmeasurable skills at Joanne Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update: Jay Greene piles on. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jay P. Greene</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/01/27/critical-thinking-about-critical-thinking/#comment-3474</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay P. Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dean -- Thanks for the comment.  See my response in this new post: http://jaypgreene.com/2009/02/03/the-wagner-epic-continues/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dean &#8212; Thanks for the comment.  See my response in this new post: <a href="http://jaypgreene.com/2009/02/03/the-wagner-epic-continues/" rel="nofollow">http://jaypgreene.com/2009/02/03/the-wagner-epic-continues/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dean Shareski</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/01/27/critical-thinking-about-critical-thinking/#comment-3469</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Shareski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a couple of thoughts I wouldn&#039;t mind a response to:

I&#039;m not familiar with Wagner&#039;s work all that much and while according to you his attempts to find compelling research appears weak at best, I&#039;m wondering if you have any research to contradict his claims about the necessary skills needed today?  

Also you say, &quot;And without testing, how can we figure out what our students know, and which programs successfully teach them?&quot;  I would challenge the purpose and type of testing. In most cases, these tests are pencil paper tests done largely to rank students, not to inform instruction or help the students learn more. While ranking may have some value, I&#039;d hope that effective classroom assessment would be designed to help students demonstrate understandings that can&#039;t always be captured by pencil paper as well as support learning.

I do thank you for extracting and challenging his claims. I was thinking of reading this book but now have second thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a couple of thoughts I wouldn&#8217;t mind a response to:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not familiar with Wagner&#8217;s work all that much and while according to you his attempts to find compelling research appears weak at best, I&#8217;m wondering if you have any research to contradict his claims about the necessary skills needed today?  </p>
<p>Also you say, &#8220;And without testing, how can we figure out what our students know, and which programs successfully teach them?&#8221;  I would challenge the purpose and type of testing. In most cases, these tests are pencil paper tests done largely to rank students, not to inform instruction or help the students learn more. While ranking may have some value, I&#8217;d hope that effective classroom assessment would be designed to help students demonstrate understandings that can&#8217;t always be captured by pencil paper as well as support learning.</p>
<p>I do thank you for extracting and challenging his claims. I was thinking of reading this book but now have second thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfie Kohn Smackdown at The Core Knowledge Blog</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/01/27/critical-thinking-about-critical-thinking/#comment-3464</link>
		<dc:creator>Alfie Kohn Smackdown at The Core Knowledge Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with Stuart Buck&#8217;s recent blog piece, seconded by Jay Greene, it seems the spotlight is burning a bit more brightly on Kohn of late. He has richly earned the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mind The Gap: Creativity vs. Content? &#171; Eduphoria</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/01/27/critical-thinking-about-critical-thinking/#comment-3440</link>
		<dc:creator>Mind The Gap: Creativity vs. Content? &#171; Eduphoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Global Achievement Gap, a book proclaiming the need for 21st century skills in schools, which Fayetville Public schools bought 2,000 copies of, and quotes a critic who notes: Unfortunately, Wagner dismisses measurable academic content while [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jay P. Greene</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/01/27/critical-thinking-about-critical-thinking/#comment-3420</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay P. Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically, the Fayetteville Public Schools have a column promoting the Wagner public events opposite Sandy&#039;s critique.  Here is what FPS has to say: http://www.nwanews.com/nwat/academics/73492/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, the Fayetteville Public Schools have a column promoting the Wagner public events opposite Sandy&#8217;s critique.  Here is what FPS has to say: <a href="http://www.nwanews.com/nwat/academics/73492/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nwanews.com/nwat/academics/73492/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay P. Greene</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2009/01/27/critical-thinking-about-critical-thinking/#comment-3419</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay P. Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touche.  (Or is it tushy.  I never know when to use French and when to use Yiddish.)

Actually, my point is not that the blob doesn&#039;t often dominate -- as they do in selecting educational consultants.  My point is that given their resources the blob should win all the time.  The fact that they lose as often as they do despite huge advantages in resources demonstrates the problem of having weaker arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Touche.  (Or is it tushy.  I never know when to use French and when to use Yiddish.)</p>
<p>Actually, my point is not that the blob doesn&#8217;t often dominate &#8212; as they do in selecting educational consultants.  My point is that given their resources the blob should win all the time.  The fact that they lose as often as they do despite huge advantages in resources demonstrates the problem of having weaker arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Forster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Forster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. In this post you&#039;re puzzled why defenders of the status quo are so successful despite having such transparently bad arguments. But in &lt;a&gt;a previous post&lt;/a&gt; you were puzzled why defenders of the status quo are so &lt;i&gt;unsuccessful&lt;/i&gt; despite having such vast resources.

Obviously you&#039;ve mastered the 21st Century Skills(TM) of agility, adaptability and curiosity.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. In this post you&#8217;re puzzled why defenders of the status quo are so successful despite having such transparently bad arguments. But in <a>a previous post</a> you were puzzled why defenders of the status quo are so <i>unsuccessful</i> despite having such vast resources.</p>
<p>Obviously you&#8217;ve mastered the 21st Century Skills(TM) of agility, adaptability and curiosity.</p>
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