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		<title>By: December 9 roundup</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2008/12/07/the-humpty-dumpty-arkansas-courts/#comment-2924</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[December 9 roundup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Arkansas Supreme Court&#8217;s handling of school finance litigation suggests it&#8217;s making it up as it goes along [Jay Greene] [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jay P. Greene</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2008/12/07/the-humpty-dumpty-arkansas-courts/#comment-2918</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay P. Greene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just want to add a small point to Greg&#039;s excellent comment.  He writes &quot;[The Courts] did a better job in the case of civil rights...&quot;  I tried to emphasize that the Courts did not initially do better on civil rights.  Remember that the Courts gave us Dred Scott which said that no African-American person could be a citizen in any state.  And the Courts gave us Plessy, which said that Jim Crow laws were permissible.  The Courts only came around in Brown after elite opinion had already moved to support desegregation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to add a small point to Greg&#8217;s excellent comment.  He writes &#8220;[The Courts] did a better job in the case of civil rights&#8230;&#8221;  I tried to emphasize that the Courts did not initially do better on civil rights.  Remember that the Courts gave us Dred Scott which said that no African-American person could be a citizen in any state.  And the Courts gave us Plessy, which said that Jim Crow laws were permissible.  The Courts only came around in Brown after elite opinion had already moved to support desegregation.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Forster</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Forster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Typo fixed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Kirkpatrick</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2008/12/07/the-humpty-dumpty-arkansas-courts/#comment-2913</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malcolm Kirkpatrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry for the odd typo. &quot;One must have a cause for complaint, or &quot;standing&quot;...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the odd typo. &#8220;One must have a cause for complaint, or &#8220;standing&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Kirkpatrick</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2008/12/07/the-humpty-dumpty-arkansas-courts/#comment-2912</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malcolm Kirkpatrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Courts differ from executive branch agencies and legislatures in the length of the feedback cycle (executive agencies operate in real time, legislatures meet on a yearly schedule) and in the filters through which theor information must pass (one must have a cause for complaint, or &quot;standing,&quot; to appear in court, while anyone can present testimony to a legislative committee). Now that courts have assumed the power of the purse (e.g., Kansas City schools, Arkansas schools), the Court&#039;s selective filters present a serious threat of taxation without representation. One of the complaints in the original Baer, et. al. versus Miike lawsuit against the Hawaii State Departmen of Health policy restricting marriage licenses to heterosexual couples was that this policy injured Ninia Baer by denying her access to her partner&#039;s employer-funded medical plan (or maybe it was Baer who was denied. Sorry, my memory is hazy here). The plaintifs appeared. The defendants (the State Department of Helth) appeared. Insurance companies and premium payers did not have standing and so were not represented. In such a case, party A sues patry B (usually a government agency) and asks the court to order party B to tax unrepresented party C. 

At least in your legislature, party C gets to testify.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Courts differ from executive branch agencies and legislatures in the length of the feedback cycle (executive agencies operate in real time, legislatures meet on a yearly schedule) and in the filters through which theor information must pass (one must have a cause for complaint, or &#8220;standing,&#8221; to appear in court, while anyone can present testimony to a legislative committee). Now that courts have assumed the power of the purse (e.g., Kansas City schools, Arkansas schools), the Court&#8217;s selective filters present a serious threat of taxation without representation. One of the complaints in the original Baer, et. al. versus Miike lawsuit against the Hawaii State Departmen of Health policy restricting marriage licenses to heterosexual couples was that this policy injured Ninia Baer by denying her access to her partner&#8217;s employer-funded medical plan (or maybe it was Baer who was denied. Sorry, my memory is hazy here). The plaintifs appeared. The defendants (the State Department of Helth) appeared. Insurance companies and premium payers did not have standing and so were not represented. In such a case, party A sues patry B (usually a government agency) and asks the court to order party B to tax unrepresented party C. </p>
<p>At least in your legislature, party C gets to testify.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Forster</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2008/12/07/the-humpty-dumpty-arkansas-courts/#comment-2911</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Forster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;priesthood&quot; image is apt, because in pretty much all socieites without freedom of religion, the main role that religious leaders play in politics is to exercise a sort of free-floating veto over the state&#039;s actions, the purpose of which is to set boundaries for what actions are not permitted by the community&#039;s shared ideology of political legitimacy. They play this role because any model of legitimacy (including political legitimacy) is by definition a theory of moral law, and where freedom of religion isn&#039;t practiced, theories of moral law are generally taken to fall under the special competence of religious leaders.

The main shift with the rise of religious freedom has been to transfer over to the state the responsibility of policing the boundaries of what actions are permitted by the community&#039;s shared ideology of political legitimacy. This job remains, and always must remain by the nature of the case, essentially an exercise in moral reasoning. But this particular branch of moral reasoning isn&#039;t taken to be a specifically religious field of inquiry anymore.

The novelty in the 20th century has been the further delegation of this job, at least to a very large extent although not totally, from the state in general to the courts in particular. And I think Jay is right that the moral high ground the courts gained during the civil rights struggle is a major force behind that - the nation must have an arbiter of moral law (at least insofar as moral law sets boundaries for politics) and here we have the elected branches comprehensively failing to perform this function, while the courts did perform it. And ultimately what this really means (since we&#039;re talking about elected versus unelected branches) is the people losing moral confidence in themselves - they don&#039;t trust themselves to elect leaders who will police the boundaries of political legitimacy. Robert Nagel has written some really smart stuff arguing just this case. 

It should be acknolwedged that the people do not in fact do a particularly admirable job of electing morally good leaders. But the problem, of course, is that judges are not really much better - they did a better job in the case of civil rights, but I don&#039;t see much evidence that they&#039;re morally superior generally. And transferring power to unelected judges removes all effective accountability. Judges have seized this power and set themselves up as an unaccountable ruling class, and that&#039;s worse than leaving things in the hands of the elected and therefore accountable politicians (however flawed they may be).

The transfer of power was also encouraged by the fact that judges are selected and trained in ways that make them especially good at some aspects of moral reasoning, since most of the same skills that make a good lawyer also make a good moral philosopher (e.g. the ability to interpret ambiguous language, the ability to apply general normative principles to specific cases). If the state wants to delegate the job of moral reasoning and it can&#039;t delegate this job to religious leaders because we believe in freedom of religion, judges do seem like the natural choice.

But judges are only better at some aspects of moral reasoning. They&#039;re actually especially bad on some other aspects - most importantly, the fundamental moral principles that govern political action must be grounded in the moral consensus of the community and not in some esoteric philosophical theory that is only known to an elite class, still less in the selfish interests of a political faction that captures the courts.

The clear conclusion is that the job of policing the boundaries of what actions are morally permissible under the community&#039;s shared ideology of political legitimacy is one that cannot be safely delegated to anyone. It must be the general duty of the whole government, just as obedience to the constitution and the laws is the general duty of the whole government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;priesthood&#8221; image is apt, because in pretty much all socieites without freedom of religion, the main role that religious leaders play in politics is to exercise a sort of free-floating veto over the state&#8217;s actions, the purpose of which is to set boundaries for what actions are not permitted by the community&#8217;s shared ideology of political legitimacy. They play this role because any model of legitimacy (including political legitimacy) is by definition a theory of moral law, and where freedom of religion isn&#8217;t practiced, theories of moral law are generally taken to fall under the special competence of religious leaders.</p>
<p>The main shift with the rise of religious freedom has been to transfer over to the state the responsibility of policing the boundaries of what actions are permitted by the community&#8217;s shared ideology of political legitimacy. This job remains, and always must remain by the nature of the case, essentially an exercise in moral reasoning. But this particular branch of moral reasoning isn&#8217;t taken to be a specifically religious field of inquiry anymore.</p>
<p>The novelty in the 20th century has been the further delegation of this job, at least to a very large extent although not totally, from the state in general to the courts in particular. And I think Jay is right that the moral high ground the courts gained during the civil rights struggle is a major force behind that &#8211; the nation must have an arbiter of moral law (at least insofar as moral law sets boundaries for politics) and here we have the elected branches comprehensively failing to perform this function, while the courts did perform it. And ultimately what this really means (since we&#8217;re talking about elected versus unelected branches) is the people losing moral confidence in themselves &#8211; they don&#8217;t trust themselves to elect leaders who will police the boundaries of political legitimacy. Robert Nagel has written some really smart stuff arguing just this case. </p>
<p>It should be acknolwedged that the people do not in fact do a particularly admirable job of electing morally good leaders. But the problem, of course, is that judges are not really much better &#8211; they did a better job in the case of civil rights, but I don&#8217;t see much evidence that they&#8217;re morally superior generally. And transferring power to unelected judges removes all effective accountability. Judges have seized this power and set themselves up as an unaccountable ruling class, and that&#8217;s worse than leaving things in the hands of the elected and therefore accountable politicians (however flawed they may be).</p>
<p>The transfer of power was also encouraged by the fact that judges are selected and trained in ways that make them especially good at some aspects of moral reasoning, since most of the same skills that make a good lawyer also make a good moral philosopher (e.g. the ability to interpret ambiguous language, the ability to apply general normative principles to specific cases). If the state wants to delegate the job of moral reasoning and it can&#8217;t delegate this job to religious leaders because we believe in freedom of religion, judges do seem like the natural choice.</p>
<p>But judges are only better at some aspects of moral reasoning. They&#8217;re actually especially bad on some other aspects &#8211; most importantly, the fundamental moral principles that govern political action must be grounded in the moral consensus of the community and not in some esoteric philosophical theory that is only known to an elite class, still less in the selfish interests of a political faction that captures the courts.</p>
<p>The clear conclusion is that the job of policing the boundaries of what actions are morally permissible under the community&#8217;s shared ideology of political legitimacy is one that cannot be safely delegated to anyone. It must be the general duty of the whole government, just as obedience to the constitution and the laws is the general duty of the whole government.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2008/12/07/the-humpty-dumpty-arkansas-courts/#comment-2909</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Arkansas....the new California?  Sounds familiar to a recently passed issue the California Supreme Court is hearing.  Who needs voters when you have the courts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arkansas&#8230;.the new California?  Sounds familiar to a recently passed issue the California Supreme Court is hearing.  Who needs voters when you have the courts.</p>
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