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		<title>By: News Affecting Arkansas High Schools for 11/01/2008 &#171; Arkansas High Schools</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[News Affecting Arkansas High Schools for 11/01/2008 &#171; Arkansas High Schools]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Title: States Need Flexibility, Not a Bailout « Jay P. Greene?s Blog [...]</p>
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		<title>By: danlips</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2008/10/31/states-need-flexibility-not-a-bailout/#comment-2522</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right, Greg.  They could turn down the money.  But that&#039;s pretty tough to do.  Arizona gets more than $592 million each year from the federal government from programs under NCLB.   

The question we should ask is whether the states could spend that money more effectively than the federal government.  Right now, states are forced to some spend that moeny on programs that the federal government itself has deemed ineffective and/or duplicative.  As mentioned above, alot of it goes to basic compliance and administration.   Policies like A-PLUS would give states more control over how funds are spent while still requiring states to maintain testing and public reporting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Greg.  They could turn down the money.  But that&#8217;s pretty tough to do.  Arizona gets more than $592 million each year from the federal government from programs under NCLB.   </p>
<p>The question we should ask is whether the states could spend that money more effectively than the federal government.  Right now, states are forced to some spend that moeny on programs that the federal government itself has deemed ineffective and/or duplicative.  As mentioned above, alot of it goes to basic compliance and administration.   Policies like A-PLUS would give states more control over how funds are spent while still requiring states to maintain testing and public reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: matthewladner</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Arizona has seen two different bills to opt out of NCLB make a good deal of progress with bipartisan support. One passed the Senate, one passed the House in different years.

Whether or not it is a &quot;good deal&quot; isn&#039;t, however, the point. The public school system operates on maximizing revenue- they would take federal funds even if Washington ordered them to dig a giant hole in their playground and fill it back up with dirt, and repeat all year long.

The point is whether it makes any sense to attempt to micromanage public schools from Washington DC with a one size fits all system. It doesn&#039;t. The A-Plus bill would be a modest step towards showing greater deference to states by allowing them to negotiate a single system of testing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arizona has seen two different bills to opt out of NCLB make a good deal of progress with bipartisan support. One passed the Senate, one passed the House in different years.</p>
<p>Whether or not it is a &#8220;good deal&#8221; isn&#8217;t, however, the point. The public school system operates on maximizing revenue- they would take federal funds even if Washington ordered them to dig a giant hole in their playground and fill it back up with dirt, and repeat all year long.</p>
<p>The point is whether it makes any sense to attempt to micromanage public schools from Washington DC with a one size fits all system. It doesn&#8217;t. The A-Plus bill would be a modest step towards showing greater deference to states by allowing them to negotiate a single system of testing.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Forster</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2008/10/31/states-need-flexibility-not-a-bailout/#comment-2519</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Forster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or if Arizona&#039;s elected officials decided NCLB really was all that burdensome, they could just tell the feds to go stuff it. The feds pay Arizona lots of (my) money to particiapte in NCLB. If it were a bad deal for Arizona they wouldn&#039;t participate.

Of course, Arizona&#039;s officials might decide to take the NCLB money in spite of the fact that it&#039;s a bad deal for Arizona, because it happens to be a good deal for certain special interests whom the officials favor. But that&#039;s a problem for Arizonans to take up with their elected representatives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or if Arizona&#8217;s elected officials decided NCLB really was all that burdensome, they could just tell the feds to go stuff it. The feds pay Arizona lots of (my) money to particiapte in NCLB. If it were a bad deal for Arizona they wouldn&#8217;t participate.</p>
<p>Of course, Arizona&#8217;s officials might decide to take the NCLB money in spite of the fact that it&#8217;s a bad deal for Arizona, because it happens to be a good deal for certain special interests whom the officials favor. But that&#8217;s a problem for Arizonans to take up with their elected representatives.</p>
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		<title>By: matthewladner</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are right, the state could simply drop its own system of ranking schools in deference to the Feds. It would make much more sense however for the officials elected by Arizona voters to determine Arizona education policy to decide these matters, rather than a one size fits all DC system.

The Bush crowd forgot their federalist principles and badly overreached with NCLB. If you look at states with actual success to point to in education, like Delaware, Florida and Texas, the success seems to have little to nothing to do with NCLB. If you want to really do education reform, you have to summon the will to do so at the state level.
The idea of some grand federal fix may seem pretty absurd a couple years from now if President Obama has put in portfolio assessments to replace standardized testing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, the state could simply drop its own system of ranking schools in deference to the Feds. It would make much more sense however for the officials elected by Arizona voters to determine Arizona education policy to decide these matters, rather than a one size fits all DC system.</p>
<p>The Bush crowd forgot their federalist principles and badly overreached with NCLB. If you look at states with actual success to point to in education, like Delaware, Florida and Texas, the success seems to have little to nothing to do with NCLB. If you want to really do education reform, you have to summon the will to do so at the state level.<br />
The idea of some grand federal fix may seem pretty absurd a couple years from now if President Obama has put in portfolio assessments to replace standardized testing.</p>
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		<title>By: danlips</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jay, i should have made clear that the $141 million was only the new paperwork caused by NCLB.  As we know, the federal role in education has imposed a heavy compliance burden on the states for a long time.  

For example, a 1994 GAO report found that there were 13,400 federally-funded full time employees in state education agencies that worked to implement federal programs -- three times the amount of peopel who work at the Dept headquarters in DC.    That report found that compliance with federal programs consumed 41 percent of the SEA budget (even though the feds were providing only 7 percent of funding for educaiton at the time).  

You are right, though, that state spending to comply with federal education programs isn&#039;t the cause of states&#039; fiscal troubles.  But the question I was trying to raise was whether states would be better off if they had more freedom over federal funding.  And whether education might be better if states could pull funding from ineffective programs and spend it on state initaitives.  

Perhaps the current fiscal crisis will force governors and other state leaders to consider this question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, i should have made clear that the $141 million was only the new paperwork caused by NCLB.  As we know, the federal role in education has imposed a heavy compliance burden on the states for a long time.  </p>
<p>For example, a 1994 GAO report found that there were 13,400 federally-funded full time employees in state education agencies that worked to implement federal programs &#8212; three times the amount of peopel who work at the Dept headquarters in DC.    That report found that compliance with federal programs consumed 41 percent of the SEA budget (even though the feds were providing only 7 percent of funding for educaiton at the time).  </p>
<p>You are right, though, that state spending to comply with federal education programs isn&#8217;t the cause of states&#8217; fiscal troubles.  But the question I was trying to raise was whether states would be better off if they had more freedom over federal funding.  And whether education might be better if states could pull funding from ineffective programs and spend it on state initaitives.  </p>
<p>Perhaps the current fiscal crisis will force governors and other state leaders to consider this question.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Forster</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Forster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It doesn&#039;t need to have two systems. The state chooses to have two systems because it prefers to do so. And there&#039;s no reason the state couldn&#039;t make the evaluations clear and easy to read . . . if it wanted to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t need to have two systems. The state chooses to have two systems because it prefers to do so. And there&#8217;s no reason the state couldn&#8217;t make the evaluations clear and easy to read . . . if it wanted to.</p>
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		<title>By: matthewladner</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2008/10/31/states-need-flexibility-not-a-bailout/#comment-2515</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sanford&#039;s idea is an excellent one: no bailout, more flexibility with federal funds. Education is almost certainly not one of the bigger fiscal opportunities (health care takes the prize), but I would certainly like to know why my state, which already had a system of testing and school accountability when NCLB passed, needs to have two bloody systems for ranking schools (one state and one federal). 

It&#039;s simply idiotic. It&#039;s hard enough for parents to make any sense of school ratings without having two seperate ranking systems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanford&#8217;s idea is an excellent one: no bailout, more flexibility with federal funds. Education is almost certainly not one of the bigger fiscal opportunities (health care takes the prize), but I would certainly like to know why my state, which already had a system of testing and school accountability when NCLB passed, needs to have two bloody systems for ranking schools (one state and one federal). </p>
<p>It&#8217;s simply idiotic. It&#8217;s hard enough for parents to make any sense of school ratings without having two seperate ranking systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay P. Greene</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay P. Greene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you, Dan, that we need to limit NCLB to testing and reporting requirements rather than prescribing interventions or other more instrusive actions.  And I agree with your opposition to a federal bailout for spend-happy states.

But the reality is that $141 million for administration of NCLB is chump-change.  That amount represents less than .03% of all K-12 education spending.  It&#039;s almost rounding error and has nothing to do with why the states are in hock up to their eyeballs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Dan, that we need to limit NCLB to testing and reporting requirements rather than prescribing interventions or other more instrusive actions.  And I agree with your opposition to a federal bailout for spend-happy states.</p>
<p>But the reality is that $141 million for administration of NCLB is chump-change.  That amount represents less than .03% of all K-12 education spending.  It&#8217;s almost rounding error and has nothing to do with why the states are in hock up to their eyeballs.</p>
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