Comments on: A Modest Proposal for B.B.

By: Dropout Nation » Blog Archive » The Read: Thinks tanks go wild edition

Dropout Nation » Blog Archive » The Read: Thinks tanks go wild edition — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:00:55 +0000

[...] on the Ohio voucher program. Andrew Coulson also joins in on the fun. All of this began with Greene demanding that Casey and his allies in the Broader, Bolder Coalition submit their concept for school reform [...]

By: Dropout Nation » Blog Archive » The Read

Dropout Nation » Blog Archive » The Read — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:42:24 +0000

[...] challenge*: Jay Greene asks the Broader, Bolder crowd to put their words to practice by coming up with a test model of their [...]

By: letschooseschools

letschooseschools — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:53:34 +0000

Please give the private schools the cherries that are rotting on the ground. We would love to turn their lives around.

Oh, I forgot. You need to warehouse those kids so that you can have the government payments that they represent.

Oh well, no worries. When they get to high school they can then exercise school choice. They will drop out!

By: Jay Greene and the United Cherry Pickers | Edwize

Jay Greene and the United Cherry Pickers | Edwize — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:25:15 +0000

[...] research for something, anything that can be cherry picked to support vouchers. Just look at what Greene has been reduced to: glittering generalities that repeat the same tired misrepresentations, [...]

By: Ryan Marsh

Ryan Marsh — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:13:23 +0000

Also, don’t let the government then take money from this region and add it back into the other region to insulate them from the effects of their own actions.

By: Greg Forster

Greg Forster — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:11:46 +0000

But don’t let them set the size, or draw the boundaries.

By: Patrick

Patrick — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:25:33 +0000

I’d love to see such a large scale experiment for education, but it will never happen…they know they’ll be proven wrong.

Heck I’d love to see a large scale random experiment for liberty itself.

I’m willing to bet that a free market region, with low taxes, low regulation, school choice can outperform any other region in the country on any measures of quality of life, health, and education that the left chooses to study. I’m also willing to extend the bet and allow them to select the location of the region itself.

By: Greg Forster

Greg Forster — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:05:04 +0000

It was the B.B. people who said that they had evidence (see Jay’s previous post and the links there). We’ve been pointing out that the evidence they point to doesn’t back up their claims. The evidence establishes that kids do better in school when they’re less poor, have better health, etc., not that providing social services in schools is the best way to achieve the goal (which everyone agrees to) of reducing poverty, ill health, etc. “I think we need to try it out to see if it works” is exactly Jay’s point here – the B.B. people should stop claiming that we already know the B.B. approach works, and instead let’s have some large-scale pilot programs to see whether it works, along with equally large-scale pilot programs for other approaches that have already produced positive results in small-scale pilot programs.

By: tfteacher

tfteacher — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:39:31 +0000

You want evidence of something that has yet to occur? And you realize that teachers already do a bunch of the stuff proposed. Kids need what it offers, yet you poo poo it because there is not yet evidence that it works. I think we need to try it to see if it works, no?

By: Greg Forster

Greg Forster — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:36:14 +0000

“B.B.” . . . “B.B.” . . . that rings a bell. I’ve heard those initials before. I have a distinct memory of it – people were chanting them in unison over and over, in a deliberate attempt to extinguish all independent thought and fill their minds solely with the will of their master and his collectivist ideology . . . and the ritual chanting of “B.B.” came right after a focused effort to demonize anyone who opposed the will of the master . . . for some reason the phrase “minute of hate” is standing out in my memory . . . something about ignorance being strength . . . darn, I just can’t put my finger on it. But I’m sure it’s all a coincidence and has nothing to do with the AFT’s newer, friendlier version of “B.B.”