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		<title>By: Georgia Expands School Choice to All Students &#171; The Voice for School Choice</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2008/04/23/cajun-choice/#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Georgia Expands School Choice to All Students &#171; The Voice for School Choice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] said it before, and I’ll say it again: Further proof, if further proof were necessary, that school choice is [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Pajamas Media &#187; School Choice Works — and It&#8217;s Winning</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2008/04/23/cajun-choice/#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pajamas Media &#187; School Choice Works — and It&#8217;s Winning]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 09:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] choice racks up new legislative wins every year. Louisiana just enacted a new program in March, and Georgia, after enacting one last year, may get another one this [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] choice racks up new legislative wins every year. Louisiana just enacted a new program in March, and Georgia, after enacting one last year, may get another one this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Forster</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2008/04/23/cajun-choice/#comment-87</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Three responses. First, traditional voucher programs provide much more than $1,000. Cleveland&#039;s is considered stingy at $3,450. Milwaukee&#039;s is a healthier $6,500. The DC program provides $7,500. And vouchers for disabled students in Florida, Georgia and Ohio provide even more - Ohio&#039;s tops out at $20,000 and the upper limit in Florida and Georgia is the amount that would have been spent on that student in public schools (which typically surpasses private school tuition by a large margin).

Second, most private schools cost much less than $10,000. Unfortunately, the US DOE stopped collecting systematic data on private school tuition after 1999-2000. (Why? Beats me, but if I had to guess, I&#039;d start with the fact that it&#039;s really embarrassing for the education establishment that public schools spend much more per student than private schools charge in tuition yet do a substantially poorer job. But I digress.) Back in 1999-2000 the average private school tuition was something like $5,500. With inflation - thanks a million for the weak dollar, Dubya - that&#039;s going to be higher now, but it&#039;s not going to be $10,000. So, bottom line, even Cleveland&#039;s cheaper-than-Benny-Hill-during-a-recession voucher is going to get you roughly halfway to paying tuition at an average private school. A working-class family that can&#039;t pay $6,000 in tuition may be able to pay $2,550. And of course, a lot of private schools will charge less than the average tuition - that&#039;s why it&#039;s an average. Plus, most private schools provide scholarships for low-income students and/or charge tuition on a sliding scale by income.

Third,  all the empirical evidence shows that vouchers produce less social stratification in schools, not more, because they break the connection between where you live and where you go to school. Google my report &quot;Freedom from Racial Barriers&quot; to see a rundown of the empirical studies on this subject.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three responses. First, traditional voucher programs provide much more than $1,000. Cleveland&#8217;s is considered stingy at $3,450. Milwaukee&#8217;s is a healthier $6,500. The DC program provides $7,500. And vouchers for disabled students in Florida, Georgia and Ohio provide even more &#8211; Ohio&#8217;s tops out at $20,000 and the upper limit in Florida and Georgia is the amount that would have been spent on that student in public schools (which typically surpasses private school tuition by a large margin).</p>
<p>Second, most private schools cost much less than $10,000. Unfortunately, the US DOE stopped collecting systematic data on private school tuition after 1999-2000. (Why? Beats me, but if I had to guess, I&#8217;d start with the fact that it&#8217;s really embarrassing for the education establishment that public schools spend much more per student than private schools charge in tuition yet do a substantially poorer job. But I digress.) Back in 1999-2000 the average private school tuition was something like $5,500. With inflation &#8211; thanks a million for the weak dollar, Dubya &#8211; that&#8217;s going to be higher now, but it&#8217;s not going to be $10,000. So, bottom line, even Cleveland&#8217;s cheaper-than-Benny-Hill-during-a-recession voucher is going to get you roughly halfway to paying tuition at an average private school. A working-class family that can&#8217;t pay $6,000 in tuition may be able to pay $2,550. And of course, a lot of private schools will charge less than the average tuition &#8211; that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s an average. Plus, most private schools provide scholarships for low-income students and/or charge tuition on a sliding scale by income.</p>
<p>Third,  all the empirical evidence shows that vouchers produce less social stratification in schools, not more, because they break the connection between where you live and where you go to school. Google my report &#8220;Freedom from Racial Barriers&#8221; to see a rundown of the empirical studies on this subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2008/04/23/cajun-choice/#comment-67</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I realize that school choice is gaining momentum, but there is one part of this that I have trouble understanding.  Maybe someone can help me.  Doesn&#039;t a traditional voucher program simply provide financial assistance to those who can already afford to send their kids to private schools?  How does a $1,000 voucher or a $300 tax credit help a student from a socio-economically disadvantaged family afford the tuition at a private school.  If you give them a $1,000 voucher, where are they going to come up with the other $9,000?  Vouchers and tax breaks seem to have the potential of further stratifying our society.  I don&#039;t get it???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that school choice is gaining momentum, but there is one part of this that I have trouble understanding.  Maybe someone can help me.  Doesn&#8217;t a traditional voucher program simply provide financial assistance to those who can already afford to send their kids to private schools?  How does a $1,000 voucher or a $300 tax credit help a student from a socio-economically disadvantaged family afford the tuition at a private school.  If you give them a $1,000 voucher, where are they going to come up with the other $9,000?  Vouchers and tax breaks seem to have the potential of further stratifying our society.  I don&#8217;t get it???</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Forster</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2008/04/23/cajun-choice/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Forster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the information! Just in case this wasn&#039;t clear, when I criticized the Iowa and Illinois programs for not providing much money, I didn&#039;t mean that Iowa and Illinois weren&#039;t better off for having those programs. I&#039;m saying the same thing about all three programs - they don&#039;t provide much help (on Louisiana I said &quot;it can&#039;t be that much&quot; ) but they do provide a little help to a large number of people, and they establish an important principle. If you wanted to call these programs &quot;symbolic&quot; I wouldn&#039;t totally disagree. But symbols matter!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the information! Just in case this wasn&#8217;t clear, when I criticized the Iowa and Illinois programs for not providing much money, I didn&#8217;t mean that Iowa and Illinois weren&#8217;t better off for having those programs. I&#8217;m saying the same thing about all three programs &#8211; they don&#8217;t provide much help (on Louisiana I said &#8220;it can&#8217;t be that much&#8221; ) but they do provide a little help to a large number of people, and they establish an important principle. If you wanted to call these programs &#8220;symbolic&#8221; I wouldn&#8217;t totally disagree. But symbols matter!</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Frank</title>
		<link>http://jaypgreene.com/2008/04/23/cajun-choice/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The top income tax rate in Louisiana is 6%.  Thus, a parent who spends $10,000 on qualifying private education gets a $300 tax break&#8212;which is offset by $100 or so in federal taxes from losing that federal deduction.  So the Louisiana program works out to be chintzier than the Iowa and Illinois programs criticized in the same post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The top income tax rate in Louisiana is 6%.  Thus, a parent who spends $10,000 on qualifying private education gets a $300 tax break&mdash;which is offset by $100 or so in federal taxes from losing that federal deduction.  So the Louisiana program works out to be chintzier than the Iowa and Illinois programs criticized in the same post.</p>
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